Jumper, shot on red or not?

[Andrej Lembanov]

Hi,
Yesterday I so the Jumper which is supposed to be shot with red camera. It is not my kind of movie but anyway I watched it completely admiring the cinematography for which at that point I was thinking that is done with red. Can you imagine my disappointment when in the credits I so that is shot with Panavision camera and lenses on the Kodak film. Can anyone explain me why on the official red web site this movie is presented as shot on red?

 

[Craig W. Bickerstaff]

They only shot some of the film on Red, I can't remember exactly how much of the film was red but it wasn't a large amount of it I think. Maybe a few shots here and there.

 

[Lucas Wilson]

Hi,
Yesterday I so the Jumper which is supposed to be shot with red camera. It is not my kind of movie but anyway I watched it completely admiring the cinematography for which at that point I was thinking that is done with red. Can you imagine my disappointment when in the credits I so that is shot with Panavision camera and lenses on the Kodak film. Can anyone explain me why on the official red web site this movie is presented as shot on red?

If you look in the credits, you'll find several RED-related credits... Several scenes were shot on RED. Hidden in your disappointment though is the most important thing...

You did NOT notice which shots were "different." The film intercut seamlessly with the RED material.

I've performed this "test" with several of my DP friends. I told them beforehand to go see Jumper and tell me which shots were shot on RED. Not one of them could tell me, and these are all people with years of professional experience as DPs.

I think this speaks volumes about the camera, how far it has come, and where it is today.

Lucas
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[Shawn Booth]

Jumper, as well as Wanted, used the RED for 2nd Unit and VFX shots.
That's all.

Wait for Soderbergh's movies.

 

[Ernesto Salvador]

Jumper, as well as Wanted, used the RED for 2nd Unit and VFX shots.
That's all.

Wait for Soderbergh's movies.

But Jumper must be like 70% VFX!!

 

[arashee8]

What I want to know is if there was any post production work done on the Red Footage to make it look like film? I'm not talking about color correction but specific processes to give it the film look.

 

[Zk2007]

If you look in the credits, you'll find several RED-related credits... Several scenes were shot on RED. Hidden in your disappointment though is the most important thing...

You did NOT notice which shots were "different." The film intercut seamlessly with the RED material.

I've performed this "test" with several of my DP friends. I told them beforehand to go see Jumper and tell me which shots were shot on RED. Not one of them could tell me, and these are all people with years of professional experience as DPs.

I think this speaks volumes about the camera, how far it has come, and where it is today.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, inc.
LA, CA, USA

To be honest, that is not much of a test. Back when George Lucas shot The Phantom Menace and partially used the then brand new F900 1080p intercut with 35mm film, people asked him which parts were HD and he told them something along the lines of "You tell me" or "Go get them" and I don't think anybody could tell either, or they wouldn't have asked. And that was 1080p HDCAM. The truth is, you can intercut anything as long as it doesn't distract from the story.

 

[Frank Weeks]

What I want to know is if there was any post production work done on the Red Footage to make it look like film? I'm not talking about color correction but specific processes to give it the film look.

Of course . Red digital cinema will almost always need some CC and post work but, having seen segments of Soderbergh's upcoming movies at NAB, I don't care. They were stunning.

 

[Christoffer Glans]

Of course . Red digital cinema will almost always need some CC and post work but, having seen segments of Soderbergh's upcoming movies at NAB, I don't care. They were stunning.

I think he meant to ask about adding filmgrain and stuff like that. Of course you need to see it from the digital master rather then the 35 master to know if that is true.

 

[Michael Brennan]

To be honest, that is not much of a test. Back when George Lucas shot The Phantom Menace and partially used the then brand new F900 1080p intercut with 35mm film, people asked him which parts were HD and he told them something along the lines of "You tell me" or "Go get them" and I don't think anybody could tell either, or they wouldn't have asked. And that was 1080p HDCAM. The truth is, you can intercut anything as long as it doesn't distract from the story.

Here here, equaling HDs capability to intecut with film quality should be expected from RED. Also bear in mind that a colourist is paid good money to blend formats, often taking the res of the higher quality format down either side of a shot of lower quality.


The pithy point is that the audience didn't puke when the RED footage was screened, but given the lack of subjective judgement that an audience has that aint saying much!

Red has the legs


Mike Brennan

 

[John DeBoer]

Here here, equaling HDs capability to intecut with film quality should be expected from RED. Also bear in mind that a colourist is paid good money to blend formats, often taking the res of the higher quality format down either side of a shot of lower quality.

Case in point of HD and Film....watch Silent Hill. They carried 35mm and F950's and I can't tell the difference.

 

[Christoffer Glans]

cinematographers tend to focus so much on small details in the image that they forget that when you worked with the material in post and then screen it to an audience, they don't have a clue about what camera that was used.
It's hard to see that Zodiac was shot digitaly, only a trained eye can see it and I've made a shortfilm on a DVX100 that people thought was shot on 35mm... that say alot about how pointless the film vs video battle is today.

If you can handle digital cinema then you might get "the same" quality as a good cinematographer can get with 35mm. It's just a choice of almost the same tool based on what you prefer and what budget you have.

Know the tool and you will get "almost the same" result out of any camera.

 

[cinemano]

i guess perhaps for now RED is a B camera for big budget hollywood films.. kind of disapointing.. the hvx200 was also a B camera..

 

[Noah Kadner]

My understanding from folks who were on the shoot was that film was used for the entire main production- period. Then during editing Doug Liman got his hands on a RED and fell in love and during reshoots he pushed hard to shoot some scenes with it. But the final amount of RED footage in the finished movie was minor. Keep in mind this was last year when cameras were much less plentiful and more problematic. Whereas movies like Che, G.I. Joe, Manure, S.Darko, etc we're now hearing about are 100% main unit on RED.

Noah

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Hi,
Yesterday I so the Jumper which is supposed to be shot with red camera. It is not my kind of movie but anyway I watched it completely admiring the cinematography for which at that point I was thinking that is done with red. Can you imagine my disappointment when in the credits I so that is shot with Panavision camera and lenses on the Kodak film. Can anyone explain me why on the official red web site this movie is presented as shot on red?

Yes, this is a major disappointment. I was reminded it was supposed to be on Red, and bought the blu-ray to demonstrate to fiends and relatives (looking at stepping up to an Scarlet later this year). Then I noticed that it had film grain (a dead giveaway). They should really have list of which scenes are red.

Wouldn't anybody be able to supply a list to complete this thread?

I originally heard that it was supposed to be shot on Red during it's release, but because I was sick for a long time, by the time I got to watch it I forgot why, but did notice at least one scene looked odd.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

To be honest, that is not much of a test. Back when George Lucas shot The Phantom Menace and partially used the then brand new F900 1080p intercut with 35mm film, people asked him which parts were HD and he told them something along the lines of "You tell me" or "Go get them" and I don't think anybody could tell either, or they wouldn't have asked. And that was 1080p HDCAM. The truth is, you can intercut anything as long as it doesn't distract from the story.

Hmm, I noticed a difference on Phantom.

 

[Andrew Walker]

Yes, this is a major disappointment. I was reminded it was supposed to be on Red, and bought the blu-ray to demonstrate to fiends and relatives (looking at stepping up to an Scarlet later this year). Then I noticed that it had film grain (a dead giveaway). They should really have list of which scenes are red.

Wouldn't anybody be able to supply a list to complete this thread?

I originally heard that it was supposed to be shot on Red during it's release, but because I was sick for a long time, by the time I got to watch it I forgot why, but did notice at least one scene looked odd.

I was told that there was only a couple shots that were shot on the Red camera in "Jumper". All of them were the ones out on the ocean right before he jumps to that big wave that he gets away from. Might be one or two shots.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Thanks.

 

[J. Eric Camp]

Film grain is not a dead give away because many houses are adding grain to RED footage. Especially when inter-cut with 35mm.

Take your family to see Knowing. 100% Red. No questions.

Lastly as to the comments before, when mixing formats the final is usually decided by the lowest common visual denominators. So, everything gets their various abilities dumbed down or characteristics added till everyone looks the same.

Lower sharpness, add grain is a common combo.

 

[Mark L. Pederson]

I was told that there was only a couple shots that were shot on the Red camera in "Jumper". All of them were the ones out on the ocean right before he jumps to that big wave that he gets away from. Might be one or two shots.

closer to a dozen - I need to count again -

there are shots that include - int. surf shop, ext. ocean, ext. london street, ext. bridge, int. apt.