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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Something new from Globalstor Data for RED

MikeHedge said:
$17,000 nice. but no info about playing 4k....
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scratch is limited to 2K output - it only supports one nvidia sdi graphic card and doesnt offer clustering or sli for the necessary amount of hd-sdi interfaces for 4K.

you can playback 4K scaled down or cropped at 2K resolution, but not 4K.

you can render to 4k for the master however, but you will need a dvs clipster, filmlight baselight, keisoku, iridas FC venue etc to play it back.
 
MikeHedge said:
$17,000 nice. but no info about playing 4k....
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Hey Mike,

That system has a 5600SDI card in it, and a bunch of local storage.

It can do R3D playback at 1/2 res high in realtime from 4K files... and can also support DPX, TIFF, and other traditional file-based workflows.

Contact me offlist for more info.

Tx!

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
laguun said:
scratch is limited to 2K output - it only supports one nvidia sdi graphic card and doesnt offer clustering or sli for the necessary amount of hd-sdi interfaces for 4K.

you can playback 4K scaled down or cropped at 2K resolution, but not 4K.

you can render to 4k for the master however, but you will need a dvs clipster, filmlight baselight, keisoku, iridas FC venue etc to play it back.
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Clipster and Baselight do not support R3D natively. A 4K pixel-for-pixel workflow with a Clipster4K and a Baselight4/8 + Sony SXRD is at minimum USD 300K. There are large render times associated with 4K R3D at high quality to 4K DPX.

SCRATCH supports R3D natively. A SCRATCH system + a 2K projector = less than 100K. There is no render time for 2K High to 2K.

Pick your poison.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
luki said:
Clipster and Baselight do not support R3D natively. A 4K pixel-for-pixel workflow with a Clipster4K and a Baselight4/8 + Sony SXRD is at minimum USD 300K. There are large render times associated with 4K R3D at high quality to 4K DPX.
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The prices you quote for your competition are wrong.
I think that you are trying to avoid telling your prices should not be compensated by telling wrong prices of your 4K RT capable competition. Especially if you post prices which are additionally much higher than they really are.

Furthermore, iridas 4K uncompressed realtime playback capable systems which connects to the sony SRX for 4K (or the new 3.8K displays as the new samsungs, hitachis etc) start at <40.000 for the software iirc.

luki said:
SCRATCH supports R3D natively. A SCRATCH system + a 2K projector = less than 100K. There is no render time for 2K High to 2K.
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Thats what i pointed out, as Mike Hedge was asking about that.

luki said:
Pick your poison.
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i would not see any of the systems as "poison".
I however think that it is not helpful if you post wrong prices for your competition - and employees of filmlight already had to correct you before.
 
laguun said:
The prices you quote for your competition are wrong. I think that you are trying to avoid telling your prices should not be compensated by telling wrong prices of your 4K RT capable competition. Especially if you post prices which are additionally much higher than they really are.

i would not see any of the systems as "poison".
I however think that it is not helpful if you post wrong prices for your competition - and employees of filmlight already had to correct you before.
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If you read carefully, Filmlight corrected my statement about functionality, not price. Perhaps the price you paid is lower. In LA, these are the base prices, and they are not wrong.

I consistently state a price range and invite people to contact me offlist for specific pricing for specific needs. The Cube Bundle is USD$55K.

But you clearly want more transparency from the manufacturers you deal with. Ok. Let's apply your rules to a manufacturer other than ASSIMILATE. :) Since you have a very tight relationship with DVS, one of their representatives would probably like to put a price list on this forum on your behalf. Also, please tell us what you paid for your Clipster4K. List price, right?

Also - "pick your poison" is a very American phrase. Sorry about that! It basically means "choose whichever solution is correct for you."

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
luki said:
If you read carefully, Filmlight corrected my statement about functionality, not price.
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IIRC it was both :) as you stated the baselight 8 price with 500.000.

luki said:
But you clearly want more transparency from the manufacturers you deal with. Ok. Let's apply your rules to a manufacturer other than ASSIMILATE. :)
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I sure want listprices for any massmarket product. As 3D Animation, non-linear -editing, VFX/compositing systems, rototools, encoders, dvdblurayauthoring, Dolby digital mastering software etc, and naturally, also for DI and colorcorrection.

Many manufacturers already adapted for almost all products to this. DI software is blending/dissolving into the NLE and VFX desktop software right now, and therefore some manufacturers are not yet aligned with the inner workings of a mass market. Its not unclever to be among the firsts to change the paradign - A popular example for this is what Apple FCS, Adobe CS etc did to Avid.

luki said:
Since you have a very tight relationship with DVS, one of their representatives would probably like to put a price list on this forum on your behalf.
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DVS has been a very conservative and polite company in the recent 20 years. I doubt that they will post outside their internal forums.
However price quotes are easy to get - but i think we should wait until they release their NAB products :)

luki said:
Also, please tell us what you paid for your Clipster4K. List price, right?
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Certainly not - whoever pays list price for a DI system today isnt an experienced buyer or in a -terrible- hurry. However, the investment was done by a partner, and we are just subcontracting, therefore the cashflow impact was -veeeeeeeery- low.

With all the quite interesting new 4K solutions and their new price points coming this NAB, we prefer to invest very calm and relaxed. We already have 3 Di suites in the studio, therefore we are not very much in a hurry.
 
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