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Pimp up your RED with Uncle Scrooge

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This thread is intended for all the broke-ass indies who wants to cut all corners in the (untill recently) rental-based economy of 35mm motion picture acquisition...
I´ll add all the cheap suggestions and corrections you have.

Here is what I´ll get from RED (Paid with pleasure and a big thank you)
RedOne Body, Basic Production pack, LCD + Cable, PowerPack, 2 Red Drives, CF-Module
Subtotal 25.000$

From here on it´s all about being cheap, and off course wait untill everything has been tested.

Mount: Birger/canon

Lenses:
Tokina: 11-16mm f/2.8 approx 710$
Tokina 16-50mm ATX f/2.8: approx 660$
Tokina 50-135mm f/2.8, approx $720 An alternative would be the
Canon EF-S 17-55mmf/2.8 IS.
and the
Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 IS
I am especially keen on the image stabilisation, because it gives you an improved performance at 1/25 sec shutter and mights save you some $$$$ on lighting.

Or sigma:
18-50 f/2,8
+
50-150mm f/2,8
Primes Sigma: 30mm f/1.4
Sigma: 50mm f/1.4

85mm 1.8 canon

New 100$ DIY handheld shoulder mount

PC:
Intel Q6600 Quadcore ~180€ (Q9300 once available)
4 GB RAM DDR2-667 ~60€
I965 basing Board ~60-70€ (integrated G-Ethernet, 2 G-Ethernet make sense, on board graphic for pure number crunching also)
case with >400W Power ~40-60€
500 GB Disk ~70€
these components are the sweet spot of the market today.
If you intend to use Redcine, a
GF 8800GT card with 512MB at 150-200€ makes sense. (hat tip: Laguun)

SECOND ALTERNATIVE: HACKINTOSH

AKA Scrooge MAC:

"Last december I built my very first Hackintosh, which is basically a way to install Tiger (or Leopard) on PC hardware.
A quadcore (Intel q6600) 2.6ghz, 2.4ghz, 4gigs of ram, 2 x 500gig HD, GEForce 7800GT.
This cost me a little over $900. FCP works. Logic Audio. All the Adobe stuff. It's nearly perfect. I -just- ran an xBench (with things running). Without doing the disk tests, my machine comes in a 208. The average Mac Pro clocks 156. I'm happy.The OS install has one minor glitch (it doesn't sleep the way I'd like, and when I reboot, i have to unplug and re-plug the keyboard), but I simply didn't want to spend $3000 at Apple in order to not-re-plug. My laziness has bounds." thanks to GvilleTV


Software: hhmmmm... it begins with azu...

Tripod: For light setups (still lenses) ENG tripods, should be fully functional, and seems to be the best bang-for-buck. Vladimir Eugene has tried the dynatran and is quite happy with the results. After seeing kilgroes review of the manfrotto I think the dynatran might be the best solution.
(Candidates: Arrow 55, Daiwa 15, Dynatran AT-9905H, Manfrotto 526, O´connor 50 )

MAttebox:0.00$
Followfocus: 0.00$
NDs: 2-8stops 77mm 340$ Vari NDs

CF- Cards: ??? (rumours about problems with third party cards)

Mics:
Shotguns: CS-Sanken 700$ 1, NTG-2 300$
Hypers: Michael jolys Oktava 12-03 Mod PE (incl. omni and cardiod) 395$
Lavalier: pair of Coresound binaurals , Countryman b6
(other suggestions are welcome, since RED has an emphasis on capturing raw audio data, with very little adjustments on the fly, the choice of microphone is crucial so if anyone is an audio expert please chime in)

Extra RAM: ???

Exstra HDs: ???

EXT soundrecorder: Coresounds 4mic to be used with a microtrack II as bitbucket

Monitor: ???
mounting option 1,25$

Floorstand for monitor 35 $ (again thanks to dexter)

HMI Daylight alternatives:

LED 1kw 849$

ALZO HMI Kit 2700$
Maxlite 400watt equivalent (not tested)
LUMENLAB DIY 200$
 
You're going to want at least 2, probably 4 CF Cards. Not all shots are appropriate for Red Drive use.
 
excellent! ;) i'm really interested in a cheapest versatile tripod i can get, plus i'd like to know if the sigmas work well with a matte box (my 28-70 grows and shrinks and you zoom)
 
I can't believe this but I'm actually most freaked out about the tripod situation...

We need someone to make us a heavy duty hi-spec fluid head and legs that doesn't cost $8000-$10000
 
Myktyl said:
I can't believe this but I'm actually most freaked out about the tripod situation...

We need someone to make us a heavy duty hi-spec fluid head and legs that doesn't cost $8000-$10000
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exactly. this was the biggest shock to me of ALL the expenses I've looked into
 
If you are really going to just use still lenses, the o'conner 50 really isn't a bad head. Bang for the buck, it's pretty damn good. It's no where near as good as a modern fluid head, but you can certainly make smooth moves with it.

Nick
 
Myktyl said:
I can't believe this but I'm actually most freaked out about the tripod situation...

We need someone to make us a heavy duty hi-spec fluid head and legs that doesn't cost $8000-$10000
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what about miller heads....saw them somewhere for 5.5k fully equiped...could carry something between 40-50 lbs...but cant remember where or which head exactly.
 
tripod dreams

tripod dreams

Just in time http://www.amvona.com/?page=shop/flypage&view=1&product_id=2658

I just ordered from this company today. It's really affordable and they say it's great quality. When I recieve it next Wednesday I'll have a more complete review. But initial impression- looks very promising


Myktyl said:
I can't believe this but I'm actually most freaked out about the tripod situation...

We need someone to make us a heavy duty hi-spec fluid head and legs that doesn't cost $8000-$10000
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The best candidate for an uncle scrooge fluid head may be the SLIK-DAIWA 15. I have tried to gather some information from people who have used it. But most of them just dissed the brand, not the product.

Daiwa 15
 
One of the best bangs for the buck is the Arrow 55. It's not an O'Connor, but for general shooting with loads up to 40-50lbs (it can do up to 55) it handles my RED rig nicely. And I have a large zoom on the front. Worth a look. Also look for a used Sachtler 20. We tested this briefly yesterday, and it too held up nicely. The one we tested was a 20 year old tripod, no problems. The Arrow 55 with sticks can be had for anywhere between 5 and 6K.
 
i guess it's unreasonable, but I'll be really disappointed if I can't get a quality head and sticks for under $2k
 
well, what is the minimum requirement for a "good" tripod? maybe i'm showing my ignorance, but all i need a tripod for is to hold the weight of the "heavy" red setup (production back, drive, zoom lens, etc) that will do "smooth" pans and tilts. and a good height range. am i wrong? i know there is "smooth" and "buttery smooth", etc., but if it doesn't affect the end product any differently -- image movement -- , then i don't need to be spoiled.
 
Jing,
I know spending thousands on a tripod sounds painful and it is, but there is a difference. Now some people won't be loading their REDs up as much as others, so if you have a lightweight rig, then you may find some of the more affordable tripods are okay. I'd look for a good, used Sachtler, Ronford, or even one of the old O'connors. If it's in good shape it will make a difference in your pans. I've used my share of bad tripods over the years and even though they held the weight I couldn't get smooth pan and tilts. Sometimes it was the head just wasn't fluid enough, or the sticks were too light and they would shake when the wind blew. These types of things can ruin otherwise good shots. So find your threshold monetarily and determine what you are willing to accept in terms of quality. You'll find something decent for $2-3K if you're looking to do lightweight.
 
stevesherrick said:
Jing,
I know spending thousands on a tripod sounds painful and it is, but there is a difference. Now some people won't be loading their REDs up as much as others, so if you have a lightweight rig, then you may find some of the more affordable tripods are okay. I'd look for a good, used Sachtler, Ronford, or even one of the old O'connors. If it's in good shape it will make a difference in your pans. I've used my share of bad tripods over the years and even though they held the weight I couldn't get smooth pan and tilts. Sometimes it was the head just wasn't fluid enough, or the sticks were too light and they would shake when the wind blew. These types of things can ruin otherwise good shots. So find your threshold monetarily and determine what you are willing to accept in terms of quality. You'll find something decent for $2-3K if you're looking to do lightweight.
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damn. :ranting2: that's what i was worried about.

thanks for sharing your experience. that's the kind of advice i look for.

we'll, when I get tired of playing human tripod with my actioncam, i'll have to say goodbye to a huge chunk of change and get a good tripod. :bye2:

i saw a few oconnor 1030s at the LA reduser meeting. seemed pretty good. i'll wait and see what other users report on arrow and panthers, etc.
 
Eddie said:
The best candidate for an uncle scrooge fluid head may be the SLIK-DAIWA 15. I have tried to gather some information from people who have used it. But most of them just dissed the brand, not the product.

Daiwa 15
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For that price you can get a Cartoni Gamma. Not sure I would want to spent that much on a Slik.
 
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