Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Log in
  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RedCine "slots" in the library

S

Scott Simmons

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 1, 2007
Messages
243
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Website
www.scottsimmons.tv
I was having great luck with RedTriped XMLs into RedCine conforms until today. I had done edits of several minutes, XMLs out of FCP, Redtripped then into RedCine. It did the proper pulls and all was well.

Today we take a longer music video, cuts only but the footage came from some 3 to 5 hours of footage. Now it won't work anymore. One thing is this footage is in a folder on a drive, divided by day (1 thru 5) and then in each day folder there are multiple roll folders. I can load all the footage and it will load but when opening the redtrip XML it only pulls a tiny bit of the footage.

One thing I can't understand is how RedCine loads footage. Depending on how I load (as load all of everything vs. loading a day at a time) it will stack things in the "slots" in the Library in different ways. I don't know if I'm just dumb or if there's something I'm missing with the slots in the library. I can't figure out how things load and stack in these slots....
 
editblog said:
I was having great luck with RedTriped XMLs into RedCine conforms until today. I had done edits of several minutes, XMLs out of FCP, Redtripped then into RedCine. It did the proper pulls and all was well.

Today we take a longer music video, cuts only but the footage came from some 3 to 5 hours of footage. Now it won't work anymore. One thing is this footage is in a folder on a drive, divided by day (1 thru 5) and then in each day folder there are multiple roll folders. I can load all the footage and it will load but when opening the redtrip XML it only pulls a tiny bit of the footage.

One thing I can't understand is how RedCine loads footage. Depending on how I load (as load all of everything vs. loading a day at a time) it will stack things in the "slots" in the Library in different ways. I don't know if I'm just dumb or if there's something I'm missing with the slots in the library. I can't figure out how things load and stack in these slots....
Click to expand...

WHEN YOU IMPORT EVERYTHING IN A SUBFOLDER GOES INTO ONE STACK. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THIS IS FROM REDCINE'S BASE OF BEING FROM SCRATCH. WHILE SLOTS MAY BE REALLY HANDY IN SCRATCH IN REDCINE THEY AREN'T VERY EFFECTIVE (AT LEAST YET). YOU NEED TO LOAD EVERYTHING INTO ITS OWN STACK OR WHEN YOU GO TO EXPORT IT WON'T EXPORT ALL THE CLIPS. FROM MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S ALSO BEST TO WORK WITH SMALLER GROUPS OF FOOTAGE AT A TIME.
 
Thanks for the words.
Berlin ... I'll definitely look for that button. Sounds like another instance where some sort of manual on the RedCine software would be helpful to use the app. Or something that defined the buttons. I can't even figure out how to scroll vertically when there lost of clips in a slot. Still seems like it's best to not have any depth at all in a slot if you are try to load an xml.

Kino, I agree the smaller the better but with a big music video I'm trying to figure out how to do as much as possible at once. I'll check closer as to how these things are loading from sub-folders. Hope my question/comment didn't upset you .. with the all-caps response there. :waaa:
 
take the scratch manual, this is a really good way to handle redcine...
but to scroll..? would be nice if someone says it.
 
In the "Library," there is a little-understood "Depth" setting. Let me try and explain what it does, as it is quite powerful.

Assume there is the following directory structure:

ROOT
-----Sc1
--------Tk1
-----------Alt1
-----------Alt2
--------Tk2
-----------Alt1
--------Tk3
-----Sc2
--------Tk1
-----------Alt1
--------Tk2

Set "Depth" to 1, and "Load Layer" at the ROOT.

Here is how clips will appear in the vertical slots:

Sc1/Tk3
Sc1/Tk2/Alt1
Sc1/Tk2
Sc1/Tk1/Alt2.......Sc2/Tk2
Sc1/Tk1/Alt1.......Sc2/Tk1/Alt1
Sc1/Tk1..............Sc2/Tk1

Set "Depth" to 2, and "Load Layer" at the ROOT.

Clips now appear as:

Sc1/Tk1/Alt2
Sc1/Tk1/Alt1.....Sc1/Tk2/Alt1..................Sc2/Tk1/Alt1
Sc1/Tk1...........Sc1/Tk2.........Sc1/Tk3.....Sc2/Tk1............Sc2/Tk2

The "DEPTH" setting controls *where* the bottom layer is assigned within a directory tree. Setting it to "1" says, "Step down 1 layer from the ROOT. That is the base layer. Anything under that base will be stacked vertically. When that first tree is exhausted, step to the next tree." Setting it to "2" says, "Step down 2 layers from ROOT, and stack from there."

Setting the DEPTH to something like 10 will result in every clip under ROOT going horizontal, as there is almost never 10 recursive layers under the ROOT.

If you're in VFX, then this concept will make sense immediately, because VFX people live and die by well-organized and methodical directory organization. For others, it may be harder to wrap your head around.

But just be aware that the "DEPTH" setting is not just a placeholder. It does stuff, and it can be very powerful across large projects. : )

Best,

Lucas Wilson
------------
ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA
(watching election returns...)
 
Hmmm... interesting. I 'll have to look at that more closely.

But if you have a lot of clips stacked vertically does that mean RedCine won't properly do a pull/conform (whatever you want to call it) on footage that you are trying to conform from an offline edit using an XML since it is stacked this way? That how it appears when I try it .....

and where can one find a Scratch manual? online maybe?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top