How many have postponed delivery of their camera?

[Derth Adams]

I didn't realize the serial number was just a sticker. That makes a lot more sense, given the posts that I've been reading about which cameras have been shipping when.

So the highest serial number shipped really gives no indication as to how many cameras are actually out there, just a maximum number.

 

[chuckt]

RED is just a sales organization: not a manufacturing outfit.
Cameras are built by OEM manufacturers in china.
Serial number is a removable sticker.
The number you see on the LCD is in the ROM which can be programmably removed.
Nothing is engraved or etched into the camera.
That is my speculation.

 

[sparkhope]

I would suggest. RED is a software company that happens to do product design.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

I did,

at list for #349, but I truly hope it is just about over, since I al;ready sent in the final orders for all three cameras.

Wish me luck!

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI

 

[John Godden]

RED is just a sales organization: not a manufacturing outfit.
Cameras are built by OEM manufacturers in china.
Serial number is a removable sticker.
The number you see on the LCD is in the ROM which can be programmably removed.
Nothing is engraved or etched into the camera.
That is my speculation.

Where did you pull that China stuff from?

"Programmably"................................. :bye2:

 

[Chris Kenny]

Odds are Red does little or no manufacturing itself. This is a common pattern for Western high-tech hardware companies, and is a particularly good fit for a small company like Red. You do the R&D, the sales, and the marketing in-house. Actual manufacturing is generally done somewhere in Asia. This doesn't imply anything negative about quality; when you're contracting to have an assembly line tooled up for your product, you get to specify everything to as many decimal places as you're willing to pay for.

It's really a simple economic equation. R&D generally provides a better return on investment than building physical stuff, so a lot of companies are better off not building physical stuff in-house.

Apple mostly operates on this model these days.

 

[Anthony Gratl]

I would imagine that camera body parts manufacturing is done in China, and then shipped to Singapore for assembly, which is most likely where the sensor is manufactured, as they have higher levels of tech manufacturing there.
Then the cameras get shipped to CA, and meet up with the accessories which are shipped direct from China, and the rehoused "sigma?" glass, which comes from ??????. At the end of the chain they're loaded up with software, organized based on the number of reservations, a numbered sticker slapped on them, and boxed up as per order and shipped to you and me.
But I'd put some money down on most parts being machined in China, especially given the loose dovetail parts issue and the bottom plate issues that have surfaced. Classic case of poor machining (ie. poor machinists) as the most likely culprit, not design spec.....

EDIT: Red may also outsource some parts that have been mass manufactured for awhile from reputable manufacturers, like the rods and batteries etc.

 

[Anthony Gratl]

This doesn't imply anything negative about quality;

Unfortunately I have to disagree with you there Chris. Theres a few reasons why China is cheaper, and not among them is that their quality or skill set is of such high standard.

 

[sparkhope]

Unfortunately I have to disagree with you there Chris. Theres a few reasons why China is cheaper, and not among them is that their quality or skill set is of such high standard.

China is no longer as cheap as one would hope.

 

[Anthony Gratl]

Agreed, but that has more to do with demand and less to do with quality. I still see chinese made junk everywhere.
EDIT: and that may have less to do with the chinese themselves, and more to do with the fact that things are engineered to fail sooner now...

 

[Jannard]

RED is just a sales organization: not a manufacturing outfit.
Cameras are built by OEM manufacturers in china.
Serial number is a removable sticker.
The number you see on the LCD is in the ROM which can be programmably removed.
Nothing is engraved or etched into the camera.
That is my speculation.

Chuckt... you are full of speculation. Just not very accurate.

Jim

 

[Poi Boy]

I don't think China is involved, but if it is, the quality you get depends very much on what you demand of them.
Aloha
-A

 

[Chris Kenny]

I don't think China is involved, but if it is, the quality you get depends very much on what you demand of them.

Yeah, you have to be careful to keep cause and effect straight. A company that wants to make something as cheaply as it possibly can is probably going to both make it in China and cut as many corners as possible. This doesn't mean you can't make high-quality stuff in China. It just means a lot of companies that make stuff in China choose not to.

Apple gets very high quality stuff made in China. Other companies, that try to cut every possible corner, get lead paint and toxic glue.

Anyway... don't the camera bodies say they're made in Singapore? Of course, the whole notion of modern technology products being made in a specific country is a little vague. A Red body probably contains parts made in a dozen countries. I'm mostly curious about the sensor, but, well, Red has every right to keep that confidential.

 

[donatello b]

i'm only concerned about what is shipped to me from RED - where they got it from ??? those details are Reds legwork which then gives us the price/performance cost ...