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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Take Final Cut Pro workflow and get Best Picture and Directing Academy Awards

Joseph Hutson said:
Would you rather be known as winning "Best Picture and Directing", which everyone knows, and cares about, or just, "best editing"?

The average person cares more about Best Picture. Am I right?
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Firstly, good directors are many times editors at some time in their careers.

There is an interesting issue here. Good editing is always done in a way that you *don't* notice it. There are a lot of psychological issues around here. A famous example that is sometimes quoted in film studies is that "monkey scene" in the master director David Lean's last film "A Passage To India", where that lady (can't seem to remember her name) was harassed by the monkeys around a temple. If I remember correctly, there was hardly a frame where the lady and monkeys were shown together. I.e., it is possible they were shot separately, and glued together so seamlessly that the audience never recognizes this apparent disconnect -- they are so absorbed in the "moment of the film."
 
Joseph Hutson said:
Why fight the fight about whether FCP is better than Avid?

Apple has already won it FOR us!
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Yes, you are of course right. Apple have won.
Just like Microsoft Windows won the OS "fight".
Because if it has more users, then it's better.

It seems I lost both in the OS fight and in the NLE fight (Avid Media Composer on OSX). I feel so miserable when I edit on my favourite OS with my favourite tool.
 
rebusfilm said:
It's just funny how he thinks Avid is corporate/money and Apple is the "underdog" when Apple sells more copies of editing software than Avid ever will.
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Do you know that as a fact? I don't. Plus selling more, doesn't mean it's being used by the right people. I think the Avid vs FCP debate is crap. If you can't edit, it doesn't matter what you use. If you can edit, it doesn't matter what you use. I'm sure Walter Murch can do an excellent edit in Avid, FCP and a film splicer.
 
Joseph Hutson said:
Would you rather be known as winning "Best Picture and Directing", which everyone knows, and cares about, or just, "best editing"?

The average person cares more about Best Picture. Am I right?
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I would be happy to receive an Oscar for any category.
But then I have to do boring stuff instead of editing, which is the coolest thing in the world.
 
rockoblm said:
Do you know that as a fact? I don't. Plus selling more, doesn't mean it's being used by the right people. I think the Avid vs FCP debate is crap. If you can't edit, it doesn't matter what you use. If you can edit, it doesn't matter what you use. I'm sure Walter Murch can do an excellent edit in Avid, FCP and a film splicer.
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1. I know it for a fact.

2. Walter Murch has done excellent edits on all of the tools above. And he would do it again in the blink of an eye.
 
Also is good to read

"Behind the Seen:
How Walter Murch Edited Cold Mountain Using
Apple's Final Cut Pro and
What This Means for Cinema"

by Charles Koppelman

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Behind the Seen: How Walter Murch Edited Cold Mountain
Using Apple's Final Cut Pro and What This Means for Cinema.

LINK>>>
 
In the Blink of an Eye is a really fun book. That and Painting with Light were the first two film books I ever read, and I'm still looking for something to top that pair.

Does anyone know what Murch used to edit The Conversation? That was the best editing (best sound editing too) I've ever seen in a movie. I'm sure he could have done it on anything but I'm just curious.

davide
 
davide said:
In the Blink of an Eye is a really fun book. That and Painting with Light were the first two film books I ever read, and I'm still looking for something to top that pair.

Does anyone know what Murch used to edit The Conversation? That was the best editing (best sound editing too) I've ever seen in a movie. I'm sure he could have done it on anything but I'm just curious.

davide
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You beat me to the punch. I second your comments.
 
rebusfilm said:
2. Walter Murch has done excellent edits on all of the tools above. And he would do it again in the blink of an eye.
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I guess that was my point. A better camera isn't going to make you a better DP, a better digital editing suite isn't going to make you a better editor.
 
Video Toaster baby.
That's what I wanna win on.
 
The Third Man said:
Avid is a corporate editing tool and FCP is more for home users as the most people here at the forum.

FCP is not "more for home users" in any regard. That's iMovie. FCP has always just been easier to get your hands on. It is fully a professional piece of software and used by industry pros all the time. I am a professional editor and I use it. I know AVID and prefer FCP.

Whichever one chooses to edit, NLE's are just tools to get the job done.
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I still feel there are very serious places where FCP falls down in the basics... Stuff that people like Murch wouldn't care about because they never touch the input or output.

FCP has perhaps more in the way of 'prettying up' features than Avid, but lacks some of the fundamentals (media management, input and output stuff). FCP might be better suited to some types of production (where there's not going to be any recapturing, online, film conform) but for many applications the lack of good media management is a serious impediment.

I'm a professional editor, I use Avid and FCP, and I prefer Avid (even though the only feature I've ever cut was on FCP).
 
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