BETA FIRMWARE RELEASE: Build 13

[Paolo Tinari]

... people using step-printing is generally lazy/crappy storytelling, with a handful of examples to the contrary, and people who shoot "coverage" have no idea what they want. Or people who shoot a hundred takes to "find the magic" really don't know what they want either.

R.

I like the concept of what you're saying and i'll be careful next time i'll be on set not to use any those words but, what exactly is step-printing?

 

[Stuart English]

Audio Playback in QT and FCP

Audio Playback in QT and FCP

Okay when i open the proxies in quicktime player they are white and there is no sound.

When I press Apple-J and click extract audio track, the video track suddenly appears and the quicktime player window is no longer white. Simultaneously the audio track (no video) appears in a new window and i can hear the audio from the movie. when i go back to the proxy movie with newly added video image, there is still no audio but the video will at least play. is this normal? is everyone extracting audio this way and then adding it in later or is there a way to get the proxies to play the audio?

also i dont have the new FCP yet but will have it in a few days. does that support r3d with audio?

Zak, can you PM me and lets see what your specific configuration is?

For reference I can play 2K 16:9 , 2K 2:1 and 4K 2:1 recordings with audio in both QuickTime Player 7.4 and also in Final Cut Pro. I also get audio playback in 4K 16:9 recordings (with the known bottom half of the frame video decode error) in both of those applications.

So I'd like to understand your issue in some more depth.

 

[Deanan]

Zak, there are problems with Quicktime 7.4. We're working with apple on the issue but please downgrade for now.

 

[Antoine Fabi]

I thought we had a surprise in Build 13 but it is being held off for the monster build... 14. Sorry.

Skew (read/reset) is back to normal. Which means a bit more than 35mm film and way less than most other CMOS cameras.

Jim

Holy...

Here i am more than impressed.
As if there was no mechanical parts in this beauty.

 

[Ruairi Robinson]

I like the concept of what you're saying and i'll be careful next time i'll be on set not to use any those words but, what exactly is step-printing?

Step-printing is what happens when you realize while editing that you should have shot high speed for a certain shot, so as a cheap cludge, you slow it down in the edit, by repeating frames.

This was used to great dramatic effect in saving private ryan, where it was actually appropriate and effective, but generally, it's used as a fix-it-in-post crutch.

"step printing is for girls"

R.

 

[Stuart English]

Step Print

Step Print

Step-printing is what happens when you realize while editing that you should have shot high speed for a certain shot, so as a cheap cludge, you slow it down in the edit, by repeating frames.

This was used to great dramatic effect in saving private ryan, where it was actually appropriate and effective, but generally, it's used as a fix-it-in-post crutch.

"step printing is for girls"

R.

On the other hand you can use it in timelapse animation, where its use is to capture one frame but then record it multiple times. Therefore your clip on playback can be immediately observed at an appropriate speed and you won't have to perform a few hundred edits in post production to get the clip speed right.....

 

[Warren Kommers]

Step-printing is what happens when you realize while editing that you should have shot high speed for a certain shot, so as a cheap cludge, you slow it down in the edit, by repeating frames.

This was used to great dramatic effect in saving private ryan, where it was actually appropriate and effective, but generally, it's used as a fix-it-in-post crutch.

"step printing is for girls"

R.

That's quite the generalization. Are you familiar with Wong Kar Wai? Let's just say it was probably an after thought if you didn't shoot it at 12fps or 6fps. Which can be used to great dramatic effect and I've(many) discussed and decided many times ON SET. Not that it's my favorite effect either.

 

[Anders Holck]

Anders, you are correct, but we are saying the same thing. Yes the 4K formats have the same line to line skew. But that means as 4K 2:1 has fewer lines than 4K 16:9 it has less skew. If you cropped a 4K 16:9 recording down to 4K 2:1 in post that would be the same skew as 4K 2:1 original recording

Thank's for the anwser, which makes sense
But the post I originally reply'ed to was this one:

Just so you know... skew is less with 2:1 instead of 16:9. If the final is 2:35, there is an absolute advantage to shooting 2:1.

Jim

Which implies that 2:1 has an "Skew advantage" compared to 16:9, even after a crop to 2,35:1.

 

[BASSAM MSSALATIE]

"step printing is for girls"

R.

:usd: :usd: VERY STRONG i like it

 

[zak forrest]

It's kind of a purist approach, but really It's a matter of discipline. In the same way I'd argue that people using step-printing is generally lazy/crappy storytelling, with a handful of examples to the contrary, and people who shoot "coverage" have no idea what they want. Or people who shoot a hundred takes to "find the magic" really don't know what they want either.

R.

Sometimes it's due to realizing you need something slower in the editing room, but step-printing is a whole different feeling and look than if you shot something in slow motion. It gives you a feeling you dont get with something that was shot at a high framerate. It's really important to know how both effect you and use each one according to what you want to get across. I am pretty sure there was step printing in Kill Bill and it was awesome, and on purpose. Maybe just as a throwback to older movies it was emulating/homaging, but it was still the best. DePalma rocks the crucial step-printing as well as high frames per second slow motion as well.

And yeah, you could argue that DePalma decided to step print as an afterthought. Either way, I really like it. I think both are really important, and one shouldnt be frowned upon.

 

[Ruairi Robinson]

That's quite the generalization. QUOTE]

Yep, I would have guessed that my saying "generally" would have made this clear enough.

 

[zak forrest]

Zak, there are problems with Quicktime 7.4. We're working with apple on the issue but please downgrade for now.

i downgraded to 7.3. the proxies now play with video and audio right off the bat. but the hiss is still there with build 13 for me.

 

[Warren Kommers]

That's quite the generalization. QUOTE]

Yep, I would have guessed that my saying "generally" would have made this clear enough.

Ummm....yes we read that. Maybe it was the step printing is for wussies quote.

But who cares if it was after thought or not. As long as it's effective in telling the story. I resist the notion that the sign of a great film or filmmaker is they planned absolutely everything. An equally as great trait might be their willingness to adapt or integrate things that come out in the process. Although "vision" is essential. From a pre pro nazi like David Fincher or a find it in the process director like....Altman er something. Although I prefer Fincher types personally.

 

[Ruairi Robinson]

Ummm....yes we read that. Maybe it was the step printing is for wussies quote.

But who cares if it was after thought or not. As long as it's effective in telling the story. I resist the notion that the sign of a great film or filmmaker is they planned absolutely everything. An equally as great trait might be their willingness to adapt or integrate things that come out in the process. Although "vision" is essential. From a pre pro nazi like David Fincher or a find it in the process director like....Altman er something. Although I prefer Fincher types personally.

Yeah I mean there's many routes to creating a good movie, and if you can make a movie as great as, say "The Conversation" the way that movie was made, it certainly proves that what I said is not a point blank absolute statement about all movies all the time.

But generally...

You know what I mean

 

[Warren Kommers]

Yes I do. The real question is....how's the audio in build 13?

 

[Rudi Herbert]

From a pre pro nazi like David Fincher or a find it in the process director like....Altman er something. Although I prefer Fincher types personally.

Funny you should say that,

I was watching the special features on the director cut DVD's of Se7en and Panic Room the other day and, maniacally obssessive as he is, Fincher actually uses the DI process as much for color correction as for constantly reframing every scene, in trying to maximize the impact of each and every frame. Which is what a 4K sensor would allow you to do quite well as was stated in the start of this thread. Planning exhaustively and knowing exactly what you want to shoot is one thing, and I agree with this totally, but having the ability to "reshoot" your scenes once they're shot by reframing them is a great tool which does not an unprepared director betrays.

 

[Warren Kommers]

Funny you should say that,

I was watching the special features on the director cut DVD's of Se7en and Panic Room the other day and, maniacally obssessive as he is, Fincher actually uses the DI process as much for color correction as for constantly reframing every scene, in trying to maximize the impact of each and every frame. Which is what a 4K sensor would allow you to do quite well as was stated in the start of this thread. Planning exhaustively and knowing exactly what you want to shoot is one thing, and I agree with this totally, but having the ability to "reshoot" your scenes once they're shot by reframing them is a great tool which does not an unprepared director betrays.

Yes the DVD extra on Panic Room of Fincher reviewing Pre Vis animatics with the team will scare you. That's why Darius quit. Production was just about execution. Kind of takes the fun out of it especially when you are on a stage.

 

[Ruairi Robinson]

Funny you should say that,

I was watching the special features on the director cut DVD's of Se7en and Panic Room the other day and, maniacally obssessive as he is, Fincher actually uses the DI process as much for color correction as for constantly reframing every scene, in trying to maximize the impact of each and every frame. Which is what a 4K sensor would allow you to do quite well as was stated in the start of this thread. Planning exhaustively and knowing exactly what you want to shoot is one thing, and I agree with this totally, but having the ability to "reshoot" your scenes once they're shot by reframing them is a great tool which does not an unprepared director betrays.

Good planning, and knowing what you want doesn't mean you can't be open to new ideas later in the process. It just means you are less likely to rely on crutches.

R.