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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

HDforIndies Footage on www.vuze.com

I thought I saw that detail start to come out during the fadeout at one point. It still would have been nice to grab some sky.
 
Jendra,
Just to clear the air on our end, I think it would be great if we upload the before/after material when you are finished grading. As far as meta data in the files are concerned, I just received more meta data from Mike Curtis yesterday and it does take time to get all the information into each shot. I have just begun adding what was given to me, and will add the rest by tomorrow morning. As i receive more meta data, which is still supposed to be trickling in over the next few days, I will make sure it gets plugged into the files correctly.
Also, the Stiges Slow Mo shot is repaired and available in 1080p on Vuze in a graded form.
 
Jendra said:
I specifically meant to comment on one of the cathedral shots: "Alley into Cathedral." Because we were testing the dynamic range of the camera, we did not ride the iris. The shot is a one minute long Steadicam move. It starts in the shade of an alley, turns a corner to a bright open plaza and tilts up to the edifice of the pale stone gothic cathedral. Then we enter the dark cathedral all in one shot.

So for a continuous shot, and being one light dailies, we picked one overall Redalert! setting. When we grade this we will ride the grade and see more detail in the darks inside the cathedral, and yes, THERE IS DETAIL IN THE FACE OF THE CHURCH!

Frame Grab from One Light Dailies QuickTime:


Best RedAlert! settings for that part of the shot. (which I still consider ungraded)
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Thanks for the clarification. Interesting tests. When these clips were first posted, I don't believe there was any information stating that they were ungraded.

Looking forward to seeing more results as they come in.
 
All of the data and explanations for each clip are coming in and being plugged into the files. There is more data from Mike Curtis in each file now and more to come soon. This way there will be no more confusion as to the files.
We just got the channel up and running and still are uploading content to it, so just give us another day or two to get everything into them accordingly.
 
I specifically meant to comment on one of the cathedral shots: "Alley into Cathedral." Because we were testing the dynamic range of the camera, we did not ride the iris. The shot is a one minute long Steadicam move. It starts in the shade of an alley, turns a corner to a bright open plaza and tilts up to the edifice of the pale stone gothic cathedral. Then we enter the dark cathedral all in one shot.

So for a continuous shot, and being one light dailies, we picked one overall Redalert! setting. When we grade this we will ride the grade and see more detail in the darks inside the cathedral, and yes, THERE IS DETAIL IN THE FACE OF THE CHURCH!
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I don't doubt you at all, Jendra, but these are two different takes, aren't they?
 
I'm getting in on this late.

There has been miscommunication, this stuff wasn't supposed to go live yet - exports to see how it was working, etc. I've been travelling - was in LA Friday, Austin Saturday, NYC now (2:30am). Cat is out of the bag at this point, Jendra is having to defend work she shouldn't have to, my bad, esp. before we talked about it, which I'd planned to do before anything went live, etc.

We're going to take it down until we can get it straightened out.

Patience all, and for those that have already downloaded what wasn't ready - patience, good post takes time.

-mike
 
If we could have access to R3D files we would know exactly and for sure what happened with each shot during recording.

But we are not able to get it and all the "circle of confusion" here at this tread is spinning around that.

It's like with a film:

If you don't get a negative in your hands and then you don't know is it the ORIGINAL over or under exposured during shooting/recording. :)

At the end what I wanted to add to the discussion that this camera (RED) and its sensor+metadata could be "treated" as a "certain film stock".

So you should do to learn about "not push" TOO MUCH...(your SENSOR/"STOCK") during recording and also

in "developing" of this metadata/"film" stock in REDCINE that is a bit "similar/equal" to the development of film in laboratory.

There are some VERY important parameters in all process of "fine tuning" of the exposure (in camera).

sensor2.jpg


This could be written probably from somebody with more knowledge and technical education then me.

I wish to read SOON how Steven Soderbergh was shooting/dealing with RED.
 
MikeCurtis said:
I'm getting in on this late.

There has been miscommunication, this stuff wasn't supposed to go live yet - exports to see how it was working, etc. I've been travelling - was in LA Friday, Austin Saturday, NYC now (2:30am). Cat is out of the bag at this point, Jendra is having to defend work she shouldn't have to, my bad, esp. before we talked about it, which I'd planned to do before anything went live, etc.

We're going to take it down until we can get it straightened out.

Patience all, and for those that have already downloaded what wasn't ready - patience, good post takes time.

-mike
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No worries, Mike. Thanks for the update. Obviously, this was not what you had intended. Consider it a non-issue. And please, take as much time as you need.

Looking forward to seeing the finished product.
 
MikeCurtis said:
I'm getting in on this late.

There has been miscommunication, this stuff wasn't supposed to go live yet - exports to see how it was working, etc. I've been travelling - was in LA Friday, Austin Saturday, NYC now (2:30am). Cat is out of the bag at this point, Jendra is having to defend work she shouldn't have to, my bad, esp. before we talked about it, which I'd planned to do before anything went live, etc.

We're going to take it down until we can get it straightened out.

Patience all, and for those that have already downloaded what wasn't ready - patience, good post takes time.

-mike
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Thank you Mike

This is the answer I was expecting when I started this fuss.
I knew something had gone wrong somewhere, with talented people like Jendra and yourself on board, it has to come out in a better way.

Thankfully yours

Emmanuel
 
Laco Zamba said:
BTW R3D files:
I rent my camera to my clients. Can they download and use REDCINE to develop R3D files if they are not RED camera owners?
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Yes. Red Cine and Red Alert are now available for free at
www.red.com/support

So is the camera manual.

When you click "download" it no longer asks you for a camera owner password for these.

Only the firmware listed on the same page is private.
 
Jendra said:
Yes. Red Cine and Red Alert are now available for free at
www.red.com/support

So is the camera manual.

When you click "download" it no longer asks you for a camera owner password for these.

Only the firmware listed on the same page is private.
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Thanks Jendra. I found "RED Software License Agreement" http://www.red.com/support/download/27 but it is between RED and Customer.
I don't like reading long licence agreements :-)
 
Hey all - my original intent for some of this stuff was to open a discussion on what the true "before" status is. Post-grade is what we ultimately care about, but it helps to see what you start with - which is why I posted all of the original, in camera tweak, Photoshop tweaked versions of stills on the site. Since this was such dynamic footage on steadicam and not a lockoff or slow pan as much of the previously posted stuff was, I thought it'd be fun to show what the full takes were like, to get a sense of dynamic range, etc. Starting from what was captured was a good place to start. Ideally, I'd like to show some before/after stuff, as I've shown at the Spain and Austin Red presentations.

My intent was to try to put this in proper context, which didn't happen before the content was put up, plus there are issues with some of the shots and how they were processed as well. My apologies to Jendra for having to spend time explaining things about work with her name on it that wasn't presented the way I intended.

We also had backfocus issues while in Spain, this is what the PL mount fix is about (we certainly weren't the only ones affected by this issue), so that much of our long shots are softer than they should be, and softer than what the Red is capable of producing (which isn't helping when other manufacturers are pushing the "It is only 2K and/or 4:2:2" agenda...which I don't believe is really the case!).

To those asking to see properly graded footage that is all pretty and edited....that takes serious, serious time. Please to keep in mind that I'm putting this stuff up for public benefit, to further the conversation, etc., and that it takes a great deal of time to sift for takes, edit, convert, compress, host, write descriptions, etc. I'd like my steak with the fat trimmed off and sliced into perfect bite sized pieces, but nobody is stepping up to do that for me. Please do recall when you're requesting such service, you're asking it of people that aren't under any obligation to satisfy your needs/desires - they are choosing to provide it freely.

I'm in NYC this week away from all my media, and in another state till Christmas...will get back on when I get back in.

-mike
 
MikeCurtis said:
...To those asking to see properly graded footage that is all pretty and edited....that takes serious, serious time. Please to keep in mind that I'm putting this stuff up for public benefit, to further the conversation, etc., and that it takes a great deal of time to sift for takes, edit, convert, compress, host, write descriptions, etc. I'd like my steak with the fat trimmed off and sliced into perfect bite sized pieces, but nobody is stepping up to do that for me. Please do recall when you're requesting such service, you're asking it of people that aren't under any obligation to satisfy your needs/desires - they are choosing to provide it freely...
-mike
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Thanks for the additional information. Please realize that the community greatly appreciates your efforts.

In all fairness, I think part of the problem was that most people here (myself included) thought that this footage had been graded, since many of the shots were dated over 2 months ago (and had music tracks and text overlays)...

I'm well aware of the time involved in these processes, and certainly do not wish to rush anything. Take as much time as you need, we'll be here. :)
 
Casey - an understandable assumption - it is like an oil painting, refining one step at a time.

Work continues...
 
Vuze

Vuze

Wow! I leave for 2 days......

Mike Burton and I are happy to bring this great footage from Mike Curtis and his hard working crew! I looked at this footage and said "Damn! Is that the first modern dance captured in 4k? Damn straight it is! Red is a work in progress as well all know and I'm looking forward to seeing the Techicolor vs Scratch footage.

This is monumental work were all seeing and be glad your all part of such a pivotal time in the history of digital cinema.

LART soon!!!!!
 
Dane Brehm said:
This is monumental work were all seeing and be glad your all part of such a pivotal time in the history of digital cinema.
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Right on! My thoughts exactly!

It's gonna be a special Holiday this year.
 
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