100 REDs are going back. A piece of film history that should be preserved!!!

[Mardi_Gras]

not to me. so much more. they are the stuff dreams are made of. they represent entrepreneurship. success against all odds. they are the "tipping point" of digital cinema.

I'm getting all "googly-eyed" reading this, Mark... And its all your fault!:sad:

PS - Elvis and Mr. Bond want to kick your ass.

Classic!

 

[Dalibor Fencl]

... I see some day Mr. Jannard's Prague model exhibited in the National Technical Museum in Prague, the very museum I visited dozens of times as a little boy. And when my grandson will ask me about the name, I will answer:
"Well, this great man, just loved this great city." - And I will be proud as well.
.....

I can support it.

 

[planet e]

as an owner of an Edison phonograph and several magic lanterns, there's nothing wrong with revering a bit of history. every new technology becomes an old technology eventually, with collectors and a following. RED will be no different--it will go the way of the phantoscope, the microret, the vitagraph.

the what, you say?

i have been here: http://www.magiclanterns.org/
it is the life's work of a well-heeled retired texas oil man and can be visited by invitation only, for the true lovers of imaging history. i think jim jannard should pay this guy a visit--you will meet a kindred spirit and you will be amazed by the spectacle that mr. judson has created. it's a marvel!

 

[NateWeaver]

I should take a moment to say that I've done my own share of defending this camera against the naysayers.

not to me. so much more. they are the stuff dreams are made of.

I suppose, but that's kind of the problem I'm talking about.

When I was in my teens and 20's, I spent lot of time thinking about my career wishing I had access to this camera or that edit system, thinking that IF I owned them, my work would magically be amazing and all my problems would be over. Having access to the high-end gear would be my "next step". That thinking held me back.

To me, its this thinking that makes a camera choice an emotional one. To Jim and crew, it's emotional because they've probably put it first above friends (and maybe family) for 2 years now. THAT I can understand being a bit attached to. But being attached to a camera because you think it's going to make your work better? That's my point.

I should also mention I'm a bit subject to what I mention above...I want the camera, I have an order in, and I think it will make my work better (or maybe the word is "more palatable")

But really, who makes my or your work better? Or conversely, who makes it bad? Myself, or a camera? That's why I'm against emotional attachments, (or at least trying to keep them somewhat in check)

they represent entrepreneurship. success against all odds. they are the "tipping point" of digital cinema.

Absolutely. When people bring about the democratization of filmmaking and bringing down the barriers, that is worth pause and praise.

 

[Jarred Land]

it's good to hear that Nate appears to be somewhat alone in his opinions of this.. We put our hearts and soul into these cameras and it really is satisfying to see people "get it" and be just as passionate as we are along this journey. As Mark said, its part of what makes RED so special.

 

[NateWeaver]

Jarred,

I "get it". Always have. I'm behind what you've done enough to have suffered some good natured ridicule at the hands of my professional peers...

Please don't make this Nate vs. the board. I was trying to share a hard lesson when it comes to emotion and work (and gear).

And for the record, I admire the Red team's steadfastness under adverse conditions and opinion.

 

[Rudi Herbert]

Will the replacement cameras have the old serial # stamped on them? Even if with an asterisk or a small "second generation" sign of some sort? If it were me, I know I would fell a lot better letting go of my baby if I could see that familiar number on the side of the camera whenever I look at it...

 

[Bill Goehring]

Will the replacement cameras have the old serial # stamped on them? Even if with an asterisk or a small "second generation" sign of some sort? If it were me, I know I would fell a lot better letting go of my baby if I could see that familiar number on the side of the camera whenever I look at it...

2- We will replace all cameras serial #1-100 at N/C. *The replacements will be designated by an X (Serial #10X). Since many of these cameras are in service, this replacement process will be done during, or after, the month of January, at the discretion of the owner.
Jim

Jim has already addressed this.

 

[Gabi]

Jarred,

I "get it". Always have. I'm behind what you've done enough to have suffered some good natured ridicule at the hands of my professional peers...

Please don't make this Nate vs. the board. I was trying to share a hard lesson when it comes to emotion and work (and gear).

And for the record, I admire the Red team's steadfastness under adverse conditions and opinion.

It sure doesn't sound like you get it the way you instantly peed all over Jonas and his heart felt message. Bravo to Jarred for sticking up for customers that choose to have a little emotion and get excited.

 

[Joe Carney]

It sure doesn't sound like you get it the way you instantly peed all over Jonas and his heart felt message. Bravo to Jarred for sticking up for customers that choose to have a little emotion and get excited.

Nate didn't pee on anybody. Just disagreed and made a very harmless observation.
Remember he doesn't have his camera yet and hasn't had the transforming experience that seems to come to so many with ownership. So cut him and others like us some slack until we are officially part of the 'club'.


He's a great guy and I won't stand by and see people attack him a without saying something.

I'm fully aware we are witnessing history here, and love being part of it.
I love all the hype (that's not really hype) that surrounds the Red phenomenom. But lets leave some room for differing opinions.

As for the other guy referencing his grandma? Try practicing what you preach.

Joe C.

 

[Jarred Land]

lets play nice kids... Nate did point out Jonas directly and at least in my opinion was trying to devalue his statement... in both his first two posts, which is why i said what i said, and which is why others said what they said.

But thats just my opinion, and as Zeke pointed out, we all can have our opinions... Just dont get mad if people dont agree with your disagreement.

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Forget museum. Hopefully those first 100 cameras will still be working 25 years from now. That would be the true expression of the revolution, when a digital camera is still relevant (after a few upgrades) years later.

 

[Blair S. Paulsen]

Viva the Rebellion

Viva the Rebellion

I actually had someone offer me $100,000 for #19 recently and I hate to admit it but I thought about it - that's a lot of money and I have a family. That said, the more I considered it, the more the idea of giving up #19 and what it represents just felt terrible in my gut.

I would love to at least have the engraved side plate to mount on my wall, hint, hint...

 

[Omnius]

Jesus, it's just a camera.

Wow.
You have less tact than I do.
I never thought that was possible.

I have to disagree with you though.
It's not 'just a camera'

it's THE Camera!

hehe

 

[Jonas Nyström]

I think this thread is going out of our hands - way out of proportion. Now it's like kind of free for all against Nate. I don't like the bashing. My suggestion; just drop it, get back to work. We all made our points clear.

 

[chuck colburn]

Mayby some of those first cameras could go to film schools or the like.

 

[SIRAJ KUMKHE]

HOPE THOS 100 pc's finish very fast cause my Boss waiting his oreder i think 2Red to be delivered..i have to learn something here Preparing for red arrive