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Oh ok. Thanks David, I guess that explains the lack of info.
I can't quite understand the need for an NDA. Tends to imply there is info that someone wants kept secret and I'd always assumed LART was to be a relatively open event.

Paul

It's late and we are all very tired after two stupendous days of multiple RED cameras testing various 4K and 2K elements. Elements the LART team identified as missing in the "user data" of RED cameras since it's release. LART exceeded my expectations. The level of talent, equipment and the professional effort contributed were simply amazing. To quote one individual. "There were no milk girls here at LART.":)

NDA

It is quite simple - RED provided LART with as yet unreleased RED equipment and support with a request that we not release the info or test results until after RED's official announcements. Good business all around. We had some of the best in the business testing for feedback to RED and we will and can release the info after the public announcement is released by RED. That is the NDA story plain and simple. No, conspiracy theories here...

Canon Mount/DSLR Glass

The Canon mount situation was simple - Erik fell very ill at the 12th hour. Let's all wish him a speedy recovery. GibCor will get the Canon glass tests for redusers as soon as Erik is recovered thanks to Ketch Rossi and other LART team members that have volunteered for a pick up day on this - minor delay, not a major loss for the LART mission/goals. It's coming sooner than later so standby on this follow up.

Daily Posts

Thank you for the support and enthusiasm for LART. As you all know, we pulled this off with no funding and completely based on volunteer efforts. The LART test teams were all working feverishly through out the two days. There simply was not enough time to post anything. That said, look for a very cool, informative and useful stream of data on reduser over the coming weeks. I say weeks since there is some very fun stuff that will require post production time before the VUZE downloads will be online.

LART location and talent

Where to begin? Thanks to Dave Parker, founder of Pelican products, for allowing us to use "Dave's Garage" to host LART. His facility and collection of classic cars took LART to an amazing level. Billy Summers and crew for showing up Friday to pre-light and set up the LART testing stations. The talent and models that volunteered their time to LART were first class. The girls were stunning. The make up and wardrobe departments were stellar. One of Hollywood's best stunt coordinators was there both days. A group of SEAL team stunt men and martial arts specialists volunteered their time and expertise - and the list goes on.

Special thanks to LART coproducer Kyle Baker for wrangling everything from talent to location - Blair and Brook for their amazing efforts and talents as DP's/operators and as LART Directors - the VFX team and way more other volunteers than I am going to list now.

LART Usefull?

Gibby is in transit but by late Monday will post on reduser regarding LART data flow, information release and more. Much much more will follow. Imagine a struck set with David Mullen, Matt Uhry, Charles Pappert and other DP's along with Ted Schilowitz, a RED camera and a series of as yet untested lenses. Hypothetically imagine the RED 50-150 on this set? I'll say no more on that concept. This was only one of many LART testing set ups.

Imagine - NIGHT EXT - fire dancers with multiple red cameras shooting a variety of lenses at several different camera settings from 4K 24fps to 72fps.

Imagine a Hollywood style fight scene with classic cars, girls and SEALs shot with 3 RED cameras simultaneously. Hand held RED 18-50, Actioncam, RED 300 and RED 50-150 lenses.

I am going to stop there for now.

Gibby will launch a new thread soon that will replace this one to share the LART RESULTS. We will endeavor to provide everything from .r3d 4K downloads of blue screen tests thru to the highest rez possible of test footage with our VUZE partners on the GibCor channel for redusers.

I'd also like to acknowledge Lucas Wilson and the SCRATCH system from ASSIMILATE. Luki was there both days and blew everyone away with the ASSIMILATE solutions and his talent.

Was there a benefit from LART?

The key difference here is that actual footage and files will be available to redusers unlike the pictures and posts from other client driven RED shoots to date where these items were not available.

Long live the revolution,

Sharky
 
Very exciting stuff Sharky, a big shout out to you Gibby and the entire LART team. Cannot wait to see all that data streaming in.
 
Some very interesting stuff there...I did notice this quote in the middle

........ with multiple red cameras shooting a variety of lenses at several different camera settings from 4K 24fps to 72fps.

I might be reading too much into that sentence , but....
 
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Some very interesting stuff there...I did notice this quote in the middle



I might be reading too much into that sentence , but....

Ya, like I said - way tired. Read 4K 24fps to 2K 72fps. DP'd by Billy Summers and going to be a big hit when available on VUZE.

Sharky out...
 
So Brian Goff was flying the actioncam rig.:weight_lift: He just e-mailed me that he had a blast and the cam is great.
Brian is crazy, he just flew over from Switzerland to attend the testing with his actioncam rig. That's real RED love.

Looking forward to your test results.
Cheers
Tim
 
NDA

It is quite simple - RED provided LART with as yet unreleased RED equipment and support with a request that we not release the info or test results until after RED's official announcements. Good business all around. We had some of the best in the business testing for feedback to RED and we will and can release the info after the public announcement is released by RED. That is the NDA story plain and simple. No, conspiracy theories here...
Thanks for the info Ken, I hope I wasn't sounding critical - it was 4 in the morning when I wrote it and wasn't exactly thinking at that point! Of course if someone has lent LART something that they're not 100% about then the NDA should be in place to cover it. It's just that in my experience NDA's can often slow the delivery of any information and make it harder to discuss certain issues with those involved in an open forum such as this, that was simply my concern. I'm sure Gibby will write up something very thorough and if the other members at LART are able to, will add some valuable insight.

Look forward to reading the results, from the sounds of it, it should be interesting.

Paul
 
Was there a benefit from LART?

The key difference here is that actual footage and files will be available to redusers unlike the pictures and posts from other client driven RED shoots to date where these items were not available.

Thanks for the update, I'm glad to hear that the Canon Birger will be covered.

It sounds like there will, at least, be a greater variety of footage for RED to show in their booth for trade shows and more .R3D footage and clips in the community is wonderful.
 
I just want to publicly say thank you to Steve and Ken along with all the other LART members for a fantastic weekend! GibCor put on a fantastic show and brought the idea of this test to life in a big way. Look for the results in the coming weeks on www.vuze.com.
You guys are in for a treat!
 
One more tease...

One more tease...

Gibby is swamped and working on processing all the LART info, images etc. Thought I'd throw this one out for the RED addicts amongst us :-)

DO NOT ANALYZE RESOLUTION - this is just a photoshop quicky for your enjoyment. The footage is shot in various frame rates with various lenses and cameras. This shot is credited to Mark Mannschreck.
 
Hey Sharky,
pleasure meeting you at LART, what a blast that was.

Looking forward for the Birger mount to do LART II and get to have some more fun with you guys (and the girls too)

Also trying to organize and process all the raw photo images taken at LART, with the same Canon lenses that we will use to test on the BIRGER mount soon.

I will give a DVD to Gibby and together we will see where and how to post the many many great photos of LART, and again thanks so much to all of you there and to Dave for having all of us at Dave' Garage, what an incredible place and what a car collection that is.


Speaking of girls here are two of the nody girls of LART.

Ciao,

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com
 
Uh, oh... Ketch spilled a few beans (or let a few cats out of the bag?). :biggrin:
 
Simple question ya'll, did Jim show up? Surely his presense, or lack thereof, isn't an NDA issue.

I'm pretty stoked to see everything you guys were up to!
 
Whew!!!!!!!!!!!

To me, LART was amazing.....

Sorry for the delay in posting. Me and Ken are executive producers for multiple feature and television productions that are currently in production, so I think we're now getting about as much sleep as RED Team members get!

Back to LART:

Sharky really put up a nice beginning summary of the what, where, how, and who of LART. Let me take that a few steps further:

Picture about 30 widely and highly experienced people with some serious skill sets turned loose in a warehouse full of RED cameras, lenses, stabilization units, jibs, editing systems, models, grip, lights, martial artists, food, (uh-did I say models?), world class vintage cars, a big lot to work on, and plenty of time to play with the toys!

Yup, we shot various charts and tested out some lenses. Beyond that though, we then basically had a two day think tank brainstorming scenes to shoot, setting them up, and shooting them - indoors and out, natural light and artificial light, single RED, and multiple REDs. Everyone checked their egos at the door and simply threw their time, talents, and skill sets into the mix.

The visual results? We shot and edited some very cool scenes - quickly graded and edited right on the spot by Lucas on a SCRATCH system, with Mike (VUZE) also cutting some cool scenes in FCP. I can't say I'm surprised by the quality of the footage and edited sequences - I knew we had a super-talented team - but to me, they even surpassed my expectations.

We have a vast amount of high-quality footage to sift through. Yes, everyone who attended signed an NDA, for the purposes that Sharky mentioned. RED let our team play with some new toys, Element shared some of their accessory concept mockups with us, and on and on.

LART was never positioned as a "shoot out" or deep-drilling pragmatic test session, but rather the chance for a bunch of professionals interested in learning more from each other to essentially participate in a hands on workshop and team up to shoot some top-quality scenes - and that's exactly what we did and how the results were.

I want to personally thank everyone who contributed their talents, experience, equipment, and time to the LART sessions - deeply, deeply appreciated.

In the days and weeks ahead we'll post more and more footage, stills, and info from the LART sessions. We'll have a GibCor channel on VUZE, with a special area for H264 files available for viewing. A big thanks to Lucas Wilson of Assimilate for processing the LART footage in SCRATCH, and cutting some cool sequences together.

A huge thanks to Dave Parker of Pelican for opening up his amazing facility and car collection for LART use.

More pics, frames, comments, H264, TIFFs, etc coming in the near future. Please be patient - the team all works busy production schedules in the movie and television industries - we'll hook you up with the goods as fast as we can. LART team members: please give me and Ken a chance to roll out some of the edited scenes we shot and footage samples, before you jump in heavily with commentary on LART.

In closing this post, I also want to let RED User members know that one of the LART team who wanted so much to be there had to cancel just a few days before LART when his doctor diagnosed a serious condition - Andrew Benz. We missed you Andrew....get well.
 
Steve, Ken,

heya - LART sounds like everything you'd planned for and more - Congrats.

Look forward to seeing and reading the results.
 
Whew!!!!!!!!!!!

To me, LART was amazing.....

Coming from Gibby, this says it all.

Simple question ya'll, did Jim show up? Surely his presense, or lack thereof, isn't an NDA issue.

Jim did not make LART - to busy building cameras I'm sure. We were pleased to have Ted there Saturday adding his skills to the mix.

Speaking of girls here are two of the nody girls of LART.

Ketch - I call him the Italian Stallion now. Fantastic photographer to boot. FYI - he means "naughty."

La verdad, no? But let's not digress.
 
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