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Curious Case of Benjamin Buttons

claudio said:
If David is gloating about the RED I am sure I would of heard. I do know he saw some footage a couple of months ago, but the report was not favorable.
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I wonder if part of this is what is being addressed with the upgrades. I'm pretty curious what his issues were. All I know is RED seems to be putting out the best images in it's class. Perhaps it can't compete with a million dollar system. Fair enough.
 
The last time I saw the camera was a 2 months ago. I some raw 4k stills a month ago and did not see much range in the negative. I do know the compression is wavelet based. I just worry that we are throwing too much info away. What is the meg per sec of RED at 4K?

I have not been asked to work on Rendevous. As far as I know it has not been green lit. We are working together on a commercial later next month.

What is the quote about paying the grip $100? Does not seem funny.
 
Yeah that comment isn't funny.

A good grip is worth his weight in unobtanium!

I think the Data Rate is around 40MB/sec in 4K, these are RAW frames not uncompressed RGB frames.
 
claudio said:
What is the quote about paying the grip $100? Does not seem funny.
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No, him quoting it WAS funny, it's the original post that isn't... the guy (JohnathanLB) he's quoting is the joke!

But "confirming" false information is NOT funny, and doesn't do anything to help Red succeed... might want to wait to ACTUALLY confirm next time before pulling the trigger on posting.
 
claudio said:
What is the quote about paying the grip $100? Does not seem funny.
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I guess you had to be there. This board is full of characters, and the quote is from one who claims I am retarded because I pay my crew more than $100/day. I couldnt take his bs any more so I added one of his quotes to my sig...he is full of gems.
I guess in hind site it looks like I support that comment...I obviously dont.
 
Dominic Cochran said:
No, him quoting it WAS funny, it's the original post that isn't... the guy (JohnathanLB) he's quoting is the joke!

But "confirming" false information is NOT funny, and doesn't do anything to help Red succeed... might want to wait to ACTUALLY confirm next time before pulling the trigger on posting.
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Well, I have apologized to Claudio privately. I have also asked the moderator to delete the thread. I will deal with my source "privately" as well.
 
Dominic Cochran said:
Hey DfX... don't change the sig! That thread was hilarious! :-)

In a kind of scary way of course...
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I think it is being read the wrong way by those that are not familiar w/ the source
 
Don't be too hard on him Digital, while I am guessing he told you the cameras were on set, it was YOUR call to spread the rumor (yep, it's a rumor, you shared something you did not see or confirm).

That guy only told you.. YOU told an entire formum.. I think the larger fault rests on your shoulders. Don't nail him for getting info wrong, just fix it by never doing it again.

For the record.. I am NOT smacking on you.. You've been a very cool guy on these threads, and I know from your earlier posts I am not telling you anything you don't already know.. Nevertheless....

You got hosed on this one.

:)

Jay
 
Maybe we should start a new thread on grips.

Many years ago I had this argument with my business partner who thought I was paying grips too much money but most of the grips I used were great. One of the guys, I used as often as I could book him, I rarely had to ask for anything because he was already doing it by the time I got around to pointing out the problem. I dumped that partner and that grip has been a friend ever since, going on 28 years.
 
digitalfx said:
I think it is being read the wrong way by those that are not familiar w/ the source
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Oh well, I suppose so... I guess the hilarity can't last forever... :-)

Thanks for hooking me up with your friend by the way, if I can convince the partners, it's looking good!
 
There are times when people can be cheap and hire people that call themselves grips for little or no money.

Then there comes that day when you want to shoot something with more than just standard coverage.. You actually want to "make" a movie. Suddenly you have more setups per day, but not more days.

At this point the grips on your set are going to make you or break you. They will make the difference between 8 setups per day, vs 15 to 25 setups per day.

How much will you pay then?

:)

I'd pay a LOT

Jay
 
no offense intended of course, but we don't have any evidence that this is indeed Claudio Miranda.

I mean, we've seen trolls do similar things before. I would probably actually believe D-Fx's source before the guy who just grabbed the handle "Claudio" and tells everyone on the board that Fincher doesn't like the camera.

Again, no ill will intended to the actual Claudio, here or not. Just sayin...
 
I'd bet money it's Claudio, it's just the right syntax and knowledge base.

Anyway, I'd like to keep the thread open, it has some good info and Claudio's input is valuable. Greg, why don't you just edit your initial post to be more in line with the current facts.
 
RCFisher said:
Claudio you also have to remember the data rates you are quoting are for uncompressed 4.4.4 images. The compressed images from the Red are Raw images from the sensor - compressed. Much like images from a DSLR. My Nikon D200 has a compressed setting for the Raw images that's 1/3 of the data from the sensor uncompressed and that's still less than the 30MB of the uncompressed tiffs. Also you can't use the images without deBayering the frames into DPX (uncompressed) files or whatever you need. The images from the Viper are regular uncompressed images that can then be color corrected then used. The best way to think of the data from the Red is the raw data is the digital negative which has to be processed into prints to use in the post production pipeline.
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I graded the dpx files on the movie everyday. The files the Viper and F23 spits out are dpx files. We are recording to S2 hard drives. Everyday I get selected frames to grade. These have been my dailies for the last year. I have graded F23 and Viper and I am very familiar with their dynamic range. I have seen other peoples RED tests. Including through the pipeline. And I have not seen a good dynamic range. I ask the operator to show me what is in the blacks and all i find is nothing. It feels like a thin negative. I did not like what I saw. But to be fair, I do need to do my own tests.

I did test the 4K Dalsa before we did CCBB. Each frame was 16MB (Raw native 16bit Bayer Pattern) x 24fps = 400MB/sec. The images were beautiful, but we had some unresolved issues before shooting. So now I hear that the RED camera is running 40MB/sec for the same resolution. I know the wavelet compression is good, I am just not sure it is that good. I feel what I have seen is over compression and what I want to test is find a way that I can record more throughput to a Hard Disk recorder via a dual link interface or fiber optic.

Also if you run your D200 camera in full RAW mode at 24 fps (if it was possible) would you not fill your card in less that a minute? My camera raw is 9MB (4064x2702) x 24 fps = 216MB/sec 12.960GB/min.

To be fair we are working with a very expensive system and the RED system would be 1/10 the cost of what we are using.

I am looking forward to future tests with the RED. There are many things I do love about this camera.
 
Well no matter what, it sure would be very interesting to see a test between the Viper/s.two and the RED. Especially with a DP like you.
 
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