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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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I saw these guys a few years ago and thought they were full of it but they are really stepping up to the plate to prove their "free energy" technology. i'm an engineer and generally agree that energy cannot be created but can only change form.. if they pull off what their claiming i'm going have to reconsider everything I learned in school. There supposed to have a demo tomorrow so we'll see.

http://www.steorn.com/news/releases/?id=1001
 
Opppps... somebody call the big oil lobby. Can't be having none of that there free energy. Better send some good ol' boys with pipes and bicycle chains to give 'em a physics lesson.
 
I saw this a few months ago and I believe it might a hoax.

David
 
LoL, Seems kinda funny that the name is Kinetica. I think that is the name of the fake company for the new DVXfest.
 
I got an email yesterday that I won the British online lottery for 1,000,000 pounds.


Who Knows Any thing is possible:tongue:
 
This sounds interesting, I've always thought that magnets are something of an anomoly in the energy world and wondered why that energy couldn't be harnessed to better effect.
 
just tried watching the video and it says:

"Important update on the Kinetica demo:

We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the demo unit in London. Our initial assessment indicates that this is probably due to the intense heat from the camera lighting. We have commenced a technical assessment and will provide an update later today. As a consequence, Kinetica will not be open to the public today (5th July). We apologise for this delay and appreciate your patience."

Oops
 
magnets

magnets

Magnets are used to great effect - they are the key component of virtually every generator and electric motor you use.

PaulClements said:
This sounds interesting, I've always thought that magnets are something of an anomoly in the energy world and wondered why that energy couldn't be harnessed to better effect.
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PaulClements said:
just tried watching the video and it says:

"Important update on the Kinetica demo:

We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the demo unit in London. Our initial assessment indicates that this is probably due to the intense heat from the camera lighting. We have commenced a technical assessment and will provide an update later today. As a consequence, Kinetica will not be open to the public today (5th July). We apologise for this delay and appreciate your patience."

Oops
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surprise, surprise...
 
IMO, Steorn are nothing but an elaborate hoax. I've been following them for a few years now and they have yet to provide a shred of evidence to the 9000 scientists and researchers that signed up to their so called "challenge".
 
blownapartstudios said:
I got an email yesterday that I won the British online lottery for 1,000,000 pounds.


Who Knows Any thing is possible:tongue:
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How about $10,000,000 in a bank account which no one knows about and you getting a 10% commission for using your bank account to transfer the money into?

These crooks never quit but surprisingly many people still fall for these scams.
 
to play devils advocate here for a minute....

What did Red look like 18 months ago?
 
What about the MEG and the Joe Cell? Anybody hear of them?

The only reason I have to disbelieve Steorn is the fact that the oil companies didn't buy them out yet.
 
Well, the way I look at it is that physical laws aren't laws because they just did a couple tests and decided "lets make it a law" . This from wikipedia:

Physical laws are:

* True. By definition, there have never been repeatable contradicting observations.
* Universal. They appear to apply everywhere in the universe. (Davies, 1992:82)
* Simple. They are typically expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. (Davies)
* Absolute. Nothing in the universe appears to affect them. (Davies, 1992:82)
* Stable. Unchanged since first discovered (although they may have been shown to be approximations of more accurate laws—see "Laws as approximations" below),
* Omnipotent. Everything in the universe apparently must comply with them (according to observations). (Davies, 1992:83)
* Generally conservative of quantity. (Feynman, 1965:59)
* Often expressions of existing homogeneities (symmetries) of space and time. (Feynman)
* Typically theoretically reversible in time (if non-quantum), although time itself is irreversible. (Feynman)

But one interesting thing is that nothing in that list is definitive. Theres always the opportunity to disprove things like the idea that the solar system revolves around the earth. Even if Steron is a hoax I'm sure there will be many laws that get flipped around as we delve deeper into quantum mechanics etc.

One thing I always like to point out is that our math system is obviously flawed to some degree... We can determine the area of a 2'x2' square to 100% accuracy (4 sq. ft) but when we try to determine the area of a 2' diameter circle we get a number that goes out to an infinite number of decimal places even though we know that it has a definite area just like the square does.
 
Sounds interesting. I'm no scientist, but when superconductors were discovered, they found that cooling things down to close to 0 Kelvin radically changed their physical properties. I believe ceramic is one of the best "cheap" superconductors and at room temperature, it doesn't conduct. So I wouldn't be surprised if some of our so called "laws" were flawed, heck, we clearly don't know everything yet anyways, and probably never will.
 
There's this interesting little item too. "Burning water":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKtKSEQBeI


The problem with all this though is usually the energy needed to make the reaction is greater than the energy produced.

The really interesting aspect of what I call "Personal Power Generation" which would be the ability to make your own power and no longer need a distribution grid or suppliers, is that it would totally change our world economy--which is, to a large extent, driven by energy production, generation and distribution as we've known it. In the short term, there would be major upheavals, unemployment, perhaps even war, etc.; during the change to a new technology where energy could be produced at the place it's needed rather than transmitted there (wastefully) as is the case today.

Many established fortune 500 companies would die, some would transform and continue on but some others wouldn't make it. Entire infrastructures would become unnecessary. Power stations would become loft apartments, shopping centers and at least one would become my new huge studio complex and Cool Lights factory ;-) where there would be at least 3, self-powered RED cameras in every studio--but that's another story.

The extent of the changes would, of course, depend upon how scalable the technology was. For instance, would it simply be a small device for use in homes, or would there be larger versions to power factories, buildings and other large entities? Would it also work in cars? If the device(s) could work in all these places, then the changes would indeed be huge.

The impact on the stock market would be intense. For instance, while one company or a few companies that might be the inventor(s) of the new solution might see their stock skyrocket; many many more companies that are part of the existing energy infrastructure stock would crash.

No more need for central generators, gas stations, power transmission lines, oil drilling, storage, refineries, no more need for nuclear fuel for existing nuclear power generators. Thus, massive unemployment for all the people involved in that infrastructure.

While the change might seem desirable and interesting, the effects in the short term on unemployment and existing companies would be hard to absorb. When you think about all this, it becomes easy to see why the establishment would mobilize to steal or "disappear" new technologies before they ever have a chance to see daylight...
 
coollights said:
There's this interesting little item too. "Burning water":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKtKSEQBeI
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Heh. What that video isn't showing you is the means by which the hydrogen release process is started. That's typically a few pulses of a low-voltage current at the right frequency. The shot later of the flame turning a Sterling Motor are a hoot... Wheeee. University students are showing what by doing that? Why not build an actual engine that runs off hydrogen? Come on, it's been done before. Isaac De Riva did it in 1820 and used his hydrogen motor to power one of the very first automobiles.

Perhaps I'm being a bit cynical, but IMO Hydrogen is the fuel of the future that will replace natural gas in industry and our homes as well as power our cars. Ethanol / E85 is a complete joke and a desperate attempt by heavy industry to keep pushing a product that needs to be processed and distributed. Hydrogen can be generated locally, in peoples's homes, in your car as you drive, et.. In other words, once vehicles convert to hydrogen, gas stations will be a thing of the past. Big industry, not just oil companies, as well as government agencies are fighting it all the way. Just think about it. No more tax revenue from fuel sales. No more need to process or transport fuel. Refineries shut-down on a massive scale. Thousands of refinery and power plant workers and truck drivers out of work... OTOH, it's only a matter of time before someone unleashes hydrogen powered vehicles, generators, etc.. onto the market. So far, most such attempts haven't been very successful, but with fuel prices climbing at alarming rates and concerns over global warming, the time is right for it.

IMNSHO, I think the hydrogen revolution is going to come from Asia -- like central China. Maybe even India / Pakistan. In the USA, Europe and Japan, there are just too many controlling and oppressing forces of industry and legislation. The only way it will happen in America is if someone with enough financial and industrial muscle develops a viable mass market product (like a mid-sized car) in secret and then uleashes it in full production.

Perhaps I'm a bit sensitive on this subject, but I've got a family member and friends that work together on this very research. They have filed several patents, all of which are continuously met with legal challenges, the government has closed the patent listing, etc.. They no longer file patents or disclose any of their research.
 
See that's my point about how the establishment mobilizes to crush these kinds of things. They know what would happen and how their existing infrastructure would be obsoleted by such a change. Hydrogen indeed could be the fuel that makes Personal Power Generation (PPG) a reality. Talk about a new revolution. The PC was a great revolution and caused a lot of changes--we wouldn't even be here talking on this forum about a Digital Film Camera if it weren't for that. The PC revolution also changed the fortunes of many companies, some for the better, some for the worse. The PPG revolution would be much bigger and would have some more violent overtones to it as entire nations lose their main national product--energy.

I do believe also, its true that the major new changes are going to happen here in Asia. When you have developing countries that are coming into their own and need to create new infrastructures to make their societies more modern, they start to look at the costs involved and sometimes figure ways to skip a step, so-to-speak. One reason wireless phones became more popular over here several years before they were in the USA.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Ethanol / E85 is a complete joke and a desperate attempt by heavy industry to keep pushing a product that needs to be processed and distributed.
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Ethanol is indeed a joke once you crack the "feel good" veneer surrounding the hard facts...

One tidbit... a study showed that if all EXISTING and POTENTIAL crop land in the US was instantly converted to corn production, the resulting ethanol would only handle 11% of our petro needs.

Sometimes "doing something" for the sake of "doing something" is actually nothing at all... certainly we need to crack the petro strangle-hold, but grain fuels won't be the answer in any meaningful way...

Oh, and Richard... can't wait to check out your upcoming HMI's... :)
 
The worst part of the ethanol thing is that the corn industry uses mammoth amounts of fertilizer that not only pollute but require lots and lots of oil to produce. It is a losing proposition for the environment.
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