RED #41 commercial 9/11/07 PNG's

[Mark Mannschreck]

I'd be curious what the picture looks like with the leading lady setting and no output sharpening and the exposure or ASA as low as you need it to be to rescue all that's in the pic...

still clipping in highlights but better - asa 250/output sharpening off/leading lady detail

http://www.mediafire.com/?ftzxmynmxxs

 

[Mark Mannschreck]

newer HVX grab

http://www.mediafire.com/?5grttig5rx2

opened in Photoshop changed image size 1280 resampling bicubic

720 24PN cine-d aperture 4.0

 

[jbeale]

still clipping in highlights but better - asa 250/output sharpening off/leading lady detailhttp://www.mediafire.com/?ftzxmynmxxs

I think this can look nice, maybe I overdid the color sat on her shirt- I'm not sure what color it's supposed to be. Note to self: when shooting raw, don't forget to shoot a colorchecker chart...

 

[Álex Montoya]

Comparative HVX-RED. Hmmm... the RED's the one on the left.

 

[Floris Liesker]

Hmm, played around in photoshop with it a bit.
The clipping seems less harsh, so that's good.
The saturation seems quite low, did you leave color space at camera RGB instead of REC 907?

I think with the Red One clipping someone's face is to be avoided. There's enough latitude in the camera to shoot a little under.
On the other hand: the LnAcc.mov of Evin clips big parts of the background, but I don't have a problem with that at all. It looks soft and nice.
Don't know what makes the difference...

 

[Mark Mannschreck]

The saturation seems quite low, did you leave color space at camera RGB instead of REC 907?

Everyone's been asking for ungraded stills off Redalert - Opened in Redalert REC 709 gamma - changed ASA from 320 to 250 (watching histogram) changed exposure -0.2 and black offset to 0. Leading lady detail setting - sharpening off.

 

[Rick Darge]

I actually like the clipping on the left side of the hosts' face. I think it looks natural.

 

[Mark Mannschreck]

I'm gonna try and post some prores or dvcproHD or H.264 clips tomorrow -

 

[Floris Liesker]

Everyone's been asking for ungraded stills off Redalert - Opened in Redalert REC 709 gamma - changed ASA from 320 to 250 (watching histogram) changed exposure -0.2 and black offset to 0. Leading lady detail setting - sharpening off.

I don't mean the gamma setting but the color space in the top bar. That can be set to RGB or 709. Camera RGB tends to give less saturation.

I spoke to Graeme about outputting the sensor's signal as exact as possible in Red Alert. He said you should set ASA to 320, turn off the matrix, gamma linear and an exposure of -0.4.
The picture will look very weird with a linear gamma and no matrix, but you can see clearly what parts of the sensor are clipping...

 

[Mark Mannschreck]

I don't mean the gamma setting but the color space in the top bar. That can be set to RGB or 709. Camera RGB tends to give less saturation.

I spoke to Graeme about outputting the sensor's signal as exact as possible in Red Alert. He said you should set ASA to 320, turn off the matrix, gamma linear and an exposure of -0.4.
The picture will look very weird with a linear gamma and no matrix, but you can see clearly what parts of the sensor are clipping...

Ahhh... here you go!

http://www.mediafire.com/?cmyzrvt11cx

 

[R. Gonzales]

I diverted attention by immedietely yelling "that's Lunch!"

When everyone came back I had the HVX high up on a jib with a Red sticker on the side.

Good on Ya!! That's thinking on your feet:biggrin:

 

[R. Gonzales]

I used to do VERY careful scaling in Fusion with the best methods to understand the actual differences between the two recorded HVX modes because the rez is so close between them. It isn't an issue here.

You can't rig the test for the HVX to place, show or win.

Oh wait, I take that back... if you stand up, back up from your monitor to about eight feet, and in my case, take off the glasses... they both look about the same...

Hi Jim

I think it's really funny that anyone would compare the two. And by funny I mean I'm laughing my ass off right now. :w00t:

 

[Floris Liesker]

Ahhh... here you go!

http://www.mediafire.com/?cmyzrvt11cx

Thanks Manny. We keep asking for pics and settings and stuff and you just keep giving them without a complaint.

I think the image shows that the sensor was clipping indeed. Probably nothing unusual if there was a lot of light shining on her from that side.
It does look a lot better than all video cameras I've seen so far, but I think it's probably best to avoid clipping the sensor on larger in-focus parts of the image. The overlit street behind the boy and girl in Evin's LnAcc.mov probably looks better to me because it's out of focus and it's not the subject of the picture.

 

[Mark Mannschreck]

Thanks Manny. We keep asking for pics and settings and stuff and you just keep giving them without a complaint.

I think the image shows that the sensor was clipping indeed. Probably nothing unusual if there was a lot of light shining on her from that side.
It does look a lot better than all video cameras I've seen so far, but I think it's probably best to avoid clipping the sensor on larger in-focus parts of the image. The overlit street behind the boy and girl in Evin's LnAcc.mov probably looks better to me because it's out of focus and it's not the subject of the picture.

No problem. The requests are helping me with Redalert! There was a 4x4 reflector outside beaming onto her through a window with a .6 ND on it. In subsequent shots (with the HVX) we turned it a little less direct.

 

[Mark Mannschreck]

quicktimes

File name: bed_6mov
Download link: http://www.mediafire.com/?1nytvwrlncw

File name: boy_2.mov
Download link: http://www.mediafire.com/?f5lznjy51kx

File name: boy_5.mov
Download link: http://www.mediafire.com/?8txmip2xm1j

File name: girl_4.mov
Download link: http://www.mediafire.com/?a1exnoojt2g

File name: host_2.mov
Download link: http://www.mediafire.com/?b3gdvje1djm

File name: man_and_woman.mov
Download link: http://www.mediafire.com/?45wsmumzx1y

File name: man_in_bed_1.mov
Download link: http://www.mediafire.com/?dueyndv0nbh

 

[Evan Owen]

quicktimes

I'm impressed! Good looking footage...

I love when the lights go out in girl_4 and there's almost no noise. Very nice.

 

[Michael Schrengohst]

Hey Manny,
Thanks for the extra work!
Nice, when will the spot be
completed? National or regional?

 

[Mark Mannschreck]

Hey Manny,
Thanks for the extra work!
Nice, when will the spot be
completed? National or regional?

Completion within 2 weeks and it's cable national.

BTW - I was a fool to try and edit and finish DVCProHD

Prores is the answer

 

[Michael Schrengohst]

Excellent! I will be watching for it.
And we would be interested in your
workflow and feedback about using ProRes!
Thanks