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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED ONE "Acapulco" in use...

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wigby said:
so do upgrades require the $500 option, is there another cf port or can we also use an SD or USB port to upgrade camera?
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A good question that only RED can answer...

RED's overall upgrade philosophy was summarized by Jim Jannard in this post:

"All software upgrades will be free for the life of the camera. All downloadable firmware upgrades will be free as well. All hardware upgrades will be handled on a case-by-case basis. If it is something that fixes a known problem, it will be on our nickel. If it is a chosen upgrade (like a newer sensor), then there will be a charge associated with it. There might be an exception to the rule that I'm not thinking about. The question I always ask is “what is fair?” in the eyes of the customer. Not “can we make a dime on this?”

Jim
3/21/07
RED User
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=897&page=2


My guess is that software upgrades would be available via CF, and potentially SD and/or USB, but I have no knowledge of what RED's final plans are on upgrades.
 
4-6 Card Cf Raid???

4-6 Card Cf Raid???

Desert Rune said:
How about CF RAID?
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I totally agree. How about a 4-8 card CD raid module that can be slid in and out very quickly?


Also, I was thinking if all the display info on the back be made modular and thus could be moved to the side. That way the battery and hard drive could fold up tight with the body, and the 2nd AC can still read the info.

I know it might be to late for suggestions, but hey, why should the pros have all the fun?!
 
in my younger years, i did a lot of extreme blading. for those of you who know colorado, i used to blade once a week from Boulder to Denver and back, about 50-60 miles round trip, depending on the route, of totally unfriendly roads and some pretty sick steeps. i'm sure i had an angel on my shoulder the whole time....it was probably kind of an f-ed up thing to do, but i was in my 20s....big fun charging across speer blvd. before they widened it.

tossing this out as my street cred--i'm having a hard time seeing the advantage to shooting footage at 60 mph on rollerblades. seems like you could get better-looking footage with a stickypod and a car. or maybe this is just middle age speaking....

i'd be very interested in seeing an image from this test, if it is possible. might convince me to dig through the garage for my old skates. the roads seem too rough in my neighborhood to make clean footage, but it might work on the much smoother concrete floor at my studio.
 
wigby said:
so do upgrades require the $500 option, is there another cf port or can we also use an SD or USB port to upgrade camera?
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This is what I asked. :-) I'm hoping that USB upgrades will be possible; I'd rather download and update than have to copy the firmware to another tiny card before applying it to the camera.
 
gunleik said:
isn't there an sd-card slot somewhere for this aplication?
or is it gone?

you could plug in some kinda cheapo card-reader to one of the usb ports, too..
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You can also plug an SD card reader into a CF slot:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...9104_SE9104_Secure_Digital_MultiMedia_to.html

We standardized on SD cards for all of the stuff we design here. My favorite camera uses CF cards, and I use this adapter and SD cards instead. Makes an SD card look just like a CF card as far as the camera is concerned.
 
Häakon said:
This is what I asked. :-) I'm hoping that USB upgrades will be possible; I'd rather download and update than have to copy the firmware to another tiny card before applying it to the camera.
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I'm sure it will be possible to use USB for firmware updates (or maybe SD card). I won't have the option to use CF since I'm getting the RAW data port installed.
 
in a separate thread, jim warns about implementing NDs:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3217

here is RED out in the bright sunlight, and i don't see any device for controlling daylight or street reflection into the camera. is it because i don't see it? or is it not there, in this configuration?

for this type of fast environment will the lenses be able to accept threaded filters?
 
planet e said:
in a separate thread, jim warns about implementing NDs:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3217

here is RED out in the bright sunlight, and i don't see any device for controlling daylight or street reflection into the camera. is it because i don't see it? or is it not there, in this configuration?

for this type of fast environment will the lenses be able to accept threaded filters?
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RED verifies on their web site that in those photos of the RED Acapulco tests Mark Neveldine was using the RED 18-50 CF zoom.
Link: http://www.red.com/pages/acapulco_test_drive

The 18-50 will accept threaded filters. Those of us who shoot a lot of super-mobile EFP style content with RED One will have a pouch of screw-in ND filters with us. There's no way in those situations that you'll have a cine-style setup on the camera: matte box, drop-in filters, follow focus, etc.

There's a giant world of EFP style shooting that will be done by EFP professionals with RED One - something that has been said since RED One was announced - and something that gets overlooked regularly by straight cine style shooters. Me and many other RED One adopters have been doing the kind of shooting pictured in the Nevaldine pics for our entire careers - often with camera systems much larger than the RED One setup in the pics. We also put them in housings and swim with them, strap them onto everything you can imagine, and use stripped-down setups of cameras everywhere to get the hyper-creative shots you see on ESPN, Fox Sports Net, Versus, National Geographic, Discovery, etc.

Big cine style setups are fine for productions that call for them - but from the beginning RED One was conceived as a scalable, flexible camera system that can be used for a wide variety of cine style and EFP style genres of production.

Again, the setup that Nevaldine is using, and the way he's using it, is very typical of the daily routine for many professional EFP shooters in the genres of action sports and adventure travel. I'll personally be shooting a lot of those types of setups with RED One, as will Sharkguy, Ralph Oshiro, Jeff Kilgroe, and tons of EFP style RED One adopters. Most of us are also experienced at big-setup, cine style production, so we’ll also be doing that when the productions call for it. Why not be as flexible as the camera system allows?

There are definitely times to think outside the semi-stationary, big-crew, narrative cinema, big camera setup scenario. The equipment configuration simply needs to enable the types of shots you are trying to get.

I might add that action sports and adventure travel shooters have to stay in excellent physical shape to get the mobile, highly demanding shots we get. We work out daily and eat carefully in order to continue getting those shots. You'll notice Nevaldine is in good physical condition. He may be a director/camera operator for a feature ("Crank"), but the camera setup, style of shooting, and the skills/fitness required for shooting his feature and the shooting that is pictured, are drawn directly from the EFP production world of action sports and adventure travel.

Welcome to the diversity of RED One production. I’ve maintained from the beginning of RED that very few shooters will have skill sets (and mind sets) broad enough to match the spectrum of what RED One will be capable of.
 
Gibby,

This is an excellent post. I think the RED team have been clear that the modularity of RED will give you more options than PRO or PROsumer camera users are used to right now.

Warning users about things like ND, focus and exposure is a wise thing to do because it prepares us for getting back to what we know. Those with Photo/film knowledge are going to find the RED easy and wonderful.

David
 
Filter storage on camera

Filter storage on camera

Half way house between production mattbox and scewin filters is a clip on mattbox.
Any mattbox also offers some protection for the lens in run gun situations.

Sliding a filter out of a clipon mattbox is quicker than unsrewing circular filters.

In a big hurry like when following subject from exterior to interior clip the mattbox with filter inside so the filter has some protection until it can be put in a pouch.

Since NDs are likely to be used a lot in rungun situations perhaps someone can make a box with two 4x4 filter storage slots that can be attached to the RED cage, that way an operator could whip the filter out and store it whilst still shooting.




Mike Brennan
 
Negative gain?

Negative gain?

In light of the discussion about NDs, how far can RED/CMOS go with negative gain?
-9db would be handy.



Mike Brennan
 
battistella said:
Warning users about things like ND, focus and exposure is a wise thing to do because it prepares us for getting back to what we know. Those with Photo/film knowledge are going to find the RED easy and wonderful.

David
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I definitely agree...

DSLR experience and knowledge should be especially helpful.

I do think that those with a straight film background adopting RED One will be challenged in the area of learning to use and trust RED One's electronic features (REDCINE, Magic Focus, histograms, etc.) and formats (RAW). Overall, RED One's technology pedigree most closely parallels that of DSLRs, followed moderately by video, and is least like a film camera.
 
Mike,

I think you raised a good point about clip on matte boxes. I will also have a lightweight clip on MB in my mobile kit. In mobile situations weight is always a consideration. That said, there are some risky or tight quarters shooting scenarios where even a clip on MB isn't practical, and the lighting isn't variable, and that's where a few screw-in filters come in real useful, and if nothing else protect the front of the lens.

BTW - I really like your suggestion of handy multi-filter storage for use with a lightweight clip-on MB.
 
Just want to confirm. Were the helicopter scenes in "Crossing The Line" using CF cards? If so, would it be possible to use hard drives? I ask because we will be shooting from a heli mount.
 
no cf in helicopter

no cf in helicopter

Abu Reno said:
Just want to confirm. Were the helicopter scenes in "Crossing The Line" using CF cards? If so, would it be possible to use hard drives? I ask because we will be shooting from a heli mount.
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this was posted by jim a few days ago in response to another question:

Originally Posted by Jannard
I do have to clarify... the drives were a problem with the helicopter. They did NOT like the vibration and we needed to come up with a creative solution to make it work. We did not have RED RAM in NZ. RAM (flash) is safer. And you should consider it as a better choice if you can afford it. Another safe option is recording to Compact Flash. Everyone who buys a camera should add this option. I repeat, everyone who buys a camera should add this option.

Jim
 
OMG you can see that screen in DIRECT SUNLIGHT as shown?? woooohooo!!!!!!!:spidy: :spidy: :spidy: :spidy:
 
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