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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

any HD set monitors <$1K worth considering?

FYI - on the RED brochures - it says:

Video Outputs: Single and Dual Link HD-SDI, 1080p 444 RGB, 1080p 422, 720p 422

and I have never heard any mention of 2K output over HDSDI -
 
If not 2K then HD for sure.
New calculation:

23" Apple Cinema Display (US$899)
+
BM HDLink (US$445)
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Total: US$1354

AFFORDABLE!

I owe two 23" and one 30" Apple Cinema displays, HDLinkPro (ordered & coming up at the end of month), MacBook Pro 17" 2.4 GHz and 8-core 3 GHz Mac Pro (9GB memory).
Two ATI 1900 XT cards.
Old stuff PowerBook G4 15, Dual G5...
Quite enough for INDIE monitoring, production and post.
 
I think the Dell displays are cheaper, aren't they? Their 30-incher seems ideal for 2K, IMO.

Also, Dell's "Complete Care" warranties are pretty cheap, and you are covered no matter what might happen to that LCD on set. Drop it down a cliff, run it over with your car... doesn't matter. They'll replace it.
 
Third Man -

for CLIENT monitor - you can also just go with a 720p LCD with HDMI input - that's around $700 for 24"- even 32" if you are lucky -

we will use different set-ups for different types of jobs - we will for sure keep a cheaper 720p "client" monitor w/HDMI - and we will run a 30" cinema display off of a 17" intel laptop running REDCINE - which will allow you to do some on-set exposure tests/build LUTS/view 4K pixel for pixel (by moving the image around within the constraints of the screen resolution)

we will most likely rent Cine-tal and Panasonic HD-HDSI monitors if the job requires it - we are going to hold off on any real monitor investment until we get a timetable and announcements from RED on what they plan -

but HDLink works great - handy thing to have in your RED KIT for sure -

ALSO - logic says APPLE is going to refresh their monitor line - and they HAVE to be adding an HDMI input - and that's really handy for running off the RED - as usual, try not to buy ANYTHING until the last minute -
 
offhollywood said:
for CLIENT monitor - you can also just go with a 720p LCD with HDMI input - that's around $700 for 24"- even 32" if you are lucky -
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This is the best choice I would think for both the client and DP's monitor as a RAW image is no longer like HD work it is more like film.

offhollywood said:
we will most likely rent Cine-tal and Panasonic HD-HDSI monitors if the job requires it - we are going to hold off on any real monitor investment until we get a timetable and announcements from RED on what they plan
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Like I mentioned above RAW digital style shooting is much more like using film. I have shot with the D-20 and the RAW signal image looks muddy, dull and you can not read your lighting off of it with a monitor and black tent in the same way you do with HD cameras. IMO peoples best bet would be to save their money and not buy a pro monitor or a tent as with RAW I just see it as a big waste of money. If you have only mainly shot HD learn to use your eye get good with your meter and check the histogram before you roll. I think for a lot of people that have been stuck in the tent they will find it liberating and much faster and for those that direct/dp like I do you will find it much easier to deal with performance and all that is going on in front of the camera as you will not be running back and forth from the damn tent.
 
Finner said:
IMO peoples best bet would be to save their money and not buy a pro monitor or a tent as with RAW I just see it as a big waste of money. If you have only mainly shot HD learn to use your eye get good with your meter and check the histogram before you roll. I think for a lot of people that have been stuck in the tent they will find it liberating and much faster and for those that direct/dp like I do you will find it much easier to deal with performance and all that is going on in front of the camera as you will not be running back and forth from the damn tent.
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Finner -

I agree with you 100%.

However, I can't imagine shooting on the streets of NY or other various locations without a tent - as at the very least it is a clean, secure place to clone drives, check media, etc. - I do agree lots of folks get "stuck in the tent" and DPs start "watching the movie" - instead of "shooting the movie" - so I am with you - but I think a good tent is really, really nice to have -
 
offhollywood said:
Third Man -

for CLIENT monitor - you can also just go with a 720p LCD with HDMI input - that's around $700 for 24"- even 32" if you are lucky.
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Also I have Sony 720p LCD and Panasonic 42" 720p plasma in the another room.

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In a studio room my desktop is already pretty crowded with the monitors.

Clients for sure will be more than satisfied.
 
The paintbrush is for cleaning a dust mainly from the keyboards and a lot of other hardware parts...it's a very large handful...
 
Finner, I absolutely agree for myself. I light with meters and eyes once I understand the abilities and constraints of the medium, whether film or video. And many seasoned directors will be of similar sentiment - either watch the performances directly (like the bad ol' days before video taps) watch a nearby monitor so they can stay engaged with the actors on set, or shoot themselves.

It's the inexperienced directors and clients - needing visual hand holding on the set - for whom a reference monitor becomes necessary. I'll educate those whom I can about the flexibility of the RAW format but a monitor that provides critical review on set is something that we D.P.'s have to get comfortable with. Everyone gets to comment on our work now.

I have joked on occasion that directors do not get a monitor. I've even gotten away with it a couple of times. :whistling:

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offhollywood said:
FYI - on the RED brochures - it says:

Video Outputs: Single and Dual Link HD-SDI, 1080p 444 RGB, 1080p 422, 720p 422

and I have never heard any mention of 2K output over HDSDI -
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FWIW... All things subject to change and all that...

2K 4:4:4 RGB over DL HDSDI is mentioned on the updated RED tech specs page. http://www.red.com/techspecs.shtml
 
I guess it's not really updated... It's been changed/added recently though. Looks like there's a few typos or glitches on the page though.
 
Interesting… Since Red's 2K is 2048x1152, and the max that can be sent at 24fps over dual link HD-SDI is 2048x1080, I wonder if that means that the HD-SDI output will be upgraded to the new 3Gb/s standard?
 
Waching the Dailies

Waching the Dailies

What's the current thinking for watching the Dailies? Do we have to factor in transcoding times in FCP? And is there a projector solution that would work? I think 2K or 1080P would be fine for Dailies, what do you all think?
What's the minimum hardware that we would need?
 
KESLOWCAMERA said:
Sony has a new monitor check this out
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ONLY $25,000

Professional Master Monitoring with New LCD Technology

Sony revealed a new line of master monitors with innovative LCD technology. The introductory 22.5” BVM-L230 LCD video reference monitor rivals Sony’s BVM CRT monitors by implementing flat screen technology, which has a lower weight, power consumption, and heat load.

The BVM-L230 LCD includes Sony’s Trimaster technology, which produces higher levels of color accuracy and reproduction and a wide color gamut panel. Trimaster technology also supports full HD resolution at 1920 x 1080 and high gray-scale gradation.

Sony’s new flat screen LCD is equipped with a new color space selection function, advanced picture-and-picture display, and a true interlace display mode, which helps to accurately reproduce interlaced signals.

Connectivity is limited to a DVI-D input. Optional inputs consist of an HD-SDI/SDI SDI (4:2:2 10 bit and 4:4:4 10 or 12 bit), composite, Y/C, RGB/YPBPR/XYZ, and dual-link HD-SDI.

The BVM-L230 can display SD and HD formats up to 1080/60P. The BVM-L230 supports an array of signal formats, including 2048 x 1080/24P for digital cinema applications and VGA-WUXGA (1920 x 1200) PC signals.

The BVM-L230 LCD video monitor will be available this fall for $25,000 (MSRP). A 42” model will be soon to follow next year.
 
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