Schedule Dates - what do they mean?

[Luke Boyce]

I thought it was rather obvious that they were target shipping dates.

This would mean that the units would ship BEFORE the target date.

It does NOT say HOW MANY units will be shipped PER DAY, or PER WEEK - it's a tentative TARGET schedule, and in his own words, he's a bit gun-shy about posting it -

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that when they get to 200 units (or even 50) - most likely they will NOT SHIP on the SAME DAY -

Bottom line - you need to be thinking that your camera will ship AROUND such and such date - maybe a little BEFORE - maybe a little AFTER - and that ASSUMES no problems in the BETAS - and even though RED's suppliers are "committed" - doesn't mean they wont drop the ball - one supplier of one part doesn't deliver .... well ... another delay -

Expect more delays.

HOPE your camera(s) ship SOME DAY BEFORE the date Jim posted.

And again, GOD SPEED THE BETAS!

I realize that not ALL the units will ship those days. My question is: I've got #456. The schedule states 300-700 - November 10th. Does that mean I should expect mine mid-to-late October or mid-to-late November (tentatively)? That's where I think the schedule is unclear. Again, I completely and totally realize that these dates are tentative. Whether it's October or November I fully realize that it could be neither! But I'm only asking REGARDING this schedule. I'm not putting anything in stone.

 

[Mark L. Pederson]

If I were you, I would think LATE October, and more realistically, EARLY November - assuming no further delays. Again, I am just guessing based on a tentative schedule - ANYTHING can happen. Isn't this fun?

 

[Greg M]

Wow ! !

 

[Adrian T.]

My question is: I've got #456. The schedule states 300-700 - November 10th. Does that mean I should expect mine mid-to-late October or mid-to-late November (tentatively)?

Assuming 6 workdays a week, 12 hour days, and a linear output, you can expect your RED to be shipped on Tuesday, October 23rd, at 2:22 p.m. sharp.

- tentatively, of course... :wink:

 

[Luke Boyce]

Assuming 6 workdays a week, 12 hour days, and a linear output, you can expect your RED to be shipped on Tuesday, October 23rd, at 2:22 p.m. sharp.

- tentatively, of course... :wink:

wow...totally unnecessary. That's completely NOT what I meant by the question.

 

[Ed Watkins]

wow...totally unnecessary. That's completely NOT what I meant by the question.

Everyone is wondering the same question about the schedule, and nobody knows the answer. We will have to wait until Jim enlightens us. A lot of people have tight shoots scheduled around the ball park release dates so are understandably nervous about the exact details, I know I am.

I think Big was just trying to lighten the mood.
:clown2:

 

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

Well, as long as my camera isn't 10 months late, then I think I'll be fine for the shoot I have scheduled. Tentatively, of course.

 

[AshG]

Yikes people... what does it matter? Are you seriously going to book a gig with RED based on the exact ship date? Jim committed to come up with a schedule, and he did, admittedly sheepishly so. If you have reservation #XXX, they are currently planning on having your camera to you between XXXX date and XXXX date. How hard is that to comprehend?

If you have shoots scheduled around the release, cancel them or use another camera. I am sure Jim would agree that you should at least have a back-up plan. You'll know the EXACT date your camera is coming when you get a tracking number.



ash =o)

 

[Luke Boyce]

Everyone is wondering the same question about the schedule, and nobody knows the answer. We will have to wait until Jim enlightens us. A lot of people have tight shoots scheduled around the ball park release dates so are understandably nervous about the exact details, I know I am.

I think Big was just trying to lighten the mood.
:clown2:

Yeah, except I think I've stated 100 times now that I'm not worried about "exact dates" or specifications. This is not a matter of trying to figure out the closest details on shipping that I can because I have something to shoot. Yes, my company is shooting a documentary on the RED when we get it, but we're not that obsessed with knowing the date so we can schedule stuff. It's more like, we're just going to start shooting when it gets here, whenever that may be. My question is an honest and innocent question. I'm not trying to press Jim into giving us more specifics, cause I know he can't. That's not what I'm doing.

Hopefully, this is the last time I have to say this, but I'm just asking for a little more explanation on what his schedule meant cause it's somewhat vague. He listed some units and then listed a date. But what does that date refer to? That's all I'm asking. What does the date mean? Simple question. I'm not trying to be disrespectful or trying to ween more information out of Jim. I just want to know what those dates after the units are referring to. I think that's a pretty simple and honest question. I don't know why everybody is trying to subtly imply that I'm trying to squeeze more info or more specific details out of the RED team. That's just not what I'm doing, and maybe I'm getting a little too defensive here, but it's just a little frustrating when you continually get misunderstood. Especially since I really don't want Jim or anybody else in the RED team to think I'm trying to be disrespectful or unappreciative.

 

[Adrian T.]

Yeah, except I think I've stated 100 times now that I'm not worried about "exact dates" or specifications. This is not a matter of trying to figure out the closest details on shipping that I can because I have something to shoot. Yes, my company is shooting a documentary on the RED when we get it, but we're not that obsessed with knowing the date so we can schedule stuff. It's more like, we're just going to start shooting when it gets here, whenever that may be. My question is an honest and innocent question. I'm not trying to press Jim into giving us more specifics, cause I know he can't. That's not what I'm doing.

Hopefully, this is the last time I have to say this, but I'm just asking for a little more explanation on what his schedule meant cause it's somewhat vague. He listed some units and then listed a date. But what does that date refer to? That's all I'm asking. What does the date mean? Simple question. I'm not trying to be disrespectful or trying to ween more information out of Jim. I just want to know what those dates after the units are referring to. I think that's a pretty simple and honest question. I don't know why everybody is trying to subtly imply that I'm trying to squeeze more info or more specific details out of the RED team. That's just not what I'm doing, and maybe I'm getting a little too defensive here, but it's just a little frustrating when you continually get misunderstood. Especially since I really don't want Jim or anybody else in the RED team to think I'm trying to be disrespectful or unappreciative.

Cool down man! Nobody knows for sure. offhollywood gave you the most probable answer. But since the schedule is tentative, everything may change, not by days, but by weeks or even months. So be sure to have a backup plan ready for your project!

And yeah, I tried to lighten the mood here with my "calculation." :clown2:

 

[Ed Watkins]

It can a bit exciting wondering whether the cameras will be ready in time for projects. If they aren't then no dramas, we'll all chill and use a backup (nothing wrong with a nice Sony HDcam). Still we all like shiny new toys. :biggrin:

 

[Greg M]

Cool down man! Nobody knows for sure. offhollywood gave you the most probable answer. But since the schedule is tentative, everything may change, not by days, but by weeks or even months. So be sure to have a backup plan ready for your project!

And yeah, I tried to lighten the mood here with my "calculation." :clown2:

Yes, but your calculations are way off...The reason Jim sold Oakley was to build a slave labor camp in another country employing mostly children. This will allow him to have shifts 7 days a week, 20 hours a day. How did you think he was going to sell a $100k camera for $17.5 k?

Please revise your timeline based on this schedule.

 

[Craig Schober]

jim jannard's position

jim jannard's position

Yeah, except I think I've stated 100 times now that I'm not worried about "exact dates" or specifications. This is not a matter of trying to figure out the closest details on shipping that I can because I have something to shoot. Yes, my company is shooting a documentary on the RED when we get it, but we're not that obsessed with knowing the date so we can schedule stuff. It's more like, we're just going to start shooting when it gets here, whenever that may be. My question is an honest and innocent question. I'm not trying to press Jim into giving us more specifics, cause I know he can't. That's not what I'm doing.

Hopefully, this is the last time I have to say this, but I'm just asking for a little more explanation on what his schedule meant cause it's somewhat vague. He listed some units and then listed a date. But what does that date refer to? That's all I'm asking. What does the date mean? Simple question. I'm not trying to be disrespectful or trying to ween more information out of Jim. I just want to know what those dates after the units are referring to. I think that's a pretty simple and honest question. I don't know why everybody is trying to subtly imply that I'm trying to squeeze more info or more specific details out of the RED team. That's just not what I'm doing, and maybe I'm getting a little too defensive here, but it's just a little frustrating when you continually get misunderstood. Especially since I really don't want Jim or anybody else in the RED team to think I'm trying to be disrespectful or unappreciative.

just put yourself in jim's shoes. if you were burnt by component suppliers and a few unforseen but understandable board glitches, why would you try to clarify shipping dates that you yourself don't trust 100%? while some here may see it differently, jim is not god so he can't predict how smooth the last 5% goes. if i was jim, i'd set the dates and add 2 months to everything for a time cushion. now that might be what you want but it's no more the truth than the vague/confusing release schedule we're looking at.

 

[Luke Boyce]

just put yourself in jim's shoes. if you were burnt by component suppliers and a few unforseen but understandable board glitches, why would you try to clarify shipping dates that you yourself don't trust 100%? while some here may see it differently, jim is not god so he can't predict how smooth the last 5% goes. if i was jim, i'd set the dates and add 2 months to everything for a time cushion. now that might be what you want but it's no more the truth than the vague/confusing release schedule we're looking at.

Okay, is it that hard to understand? I feel like I've been as clear as possible, but nobody here seems to understand my question! It's honestly not that hard to understand. Really.

Jim says: "Serial Numbers-Date (number of Units)"

Okay. All I'm asking is what is that date for? What does he mean? Date of what? How is that so hard to understand? I'm not cracking some whip and going "Dammit, Jim, I need to know the exact date and time I'm getting this camera!" No! I don't even give a rat's ass about the that. Seriously. This has nothing to do with any extra information other than Jim's original intention upon writing that schedule.

Here it is again: When he posted that "Date" - what does the date refer to?

That is my simple, respectful, honest question that I would like to know.

 

[Adrian T.]

Here it is again: When he posted that "Date" - what does the date refer to?

The target date? :sarcasm:

 

[Matt Redmond]

That is my simple, respectful, honest question that I would like to know.

in other words do the dates represent:
1) bulk shipping dates
2) Will begin shipping x number of listed units from this date, to be completed sometime before the next shipping date.

Even though Jim listed this as a tentative schedule, it's still a schedule and something to plug into your own tentative schedule.

Example:
Serial numbers 51-100 September 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-300 October 10th (200 units)


If you owned camera #100 (and if schedule is relatively accurate at this stage), do you expect yours to be shipped in bulk on September 15th, or a staggered shipping schedule to receive it shortly before October 10th.

That's almost a months difference. A month is a long time, especially if you're planning a shoot. One month could mean a shorter preparation time to sort out bugs, one month could mean loosing an actor.

Granted it's a tentative schedule. Jim says he's not willing to commit to it 100%, but he's still committed I'm sure - so I understand where you're coming from, and I'm sure Jim is too.

 

[Luke Boyce]

The target date? :sarcasm:

Yeah, but the target of what? When those number of units begin shipping? When those number of units should generally be shipped by? See my confusion yet?

 

[Adrian T.]

Example:
Serial numbers 51-100 September 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-300 October 10th (200 units)


If you owned camera #100 (and if schedule is relatively accurate at this stage), do you expect yours to be shipped in bulk on September 15th, or a staggered shipping schedule to receive it shortly before October 10th.

The target date for #100 would be September 15th. That's how I see it. But it's all tentative, so please don't count on it!

 

[Luke Boyce]

in other words do the dates represent:
1) bulk shipping dates
2) Will begin shipping x number of listed units from this date, to be completed sometime before the next shipping date.

Even though Jim listed this as a tentative schedule, it's still a schedule and something to plug into your own tentative schedule.

Example:
Serial numbers 51-100 September 15th (50 units)
Serial numbers 101-300 October 10th (200 units)


If you owned camera #100 (and if schedule is relatively accurate at this stage), do you expect yours to be shipped in bulk on September 15th, or a staggered shipping schedule to receive it shortly before October 10th.

That's almost a months difference. A month is a long time, especially if you're planning a shoot. One month could mean a shorter preparation time to sort out bugs, one month could mean loosing an actor.

Granted it's a tentative schedule. Jim says he's not willing to commit to it 100%, but he's still committed I'm sure - so I understand where you're coming from, and I'm sure Jim is too.

YES!!!!!! THANK YOU!!! Phew.

 

[Adrian T.]

Yeah, but the target of what? When those number of units begin shipping? When those number of units should generally be shipped by? See my confusion yet?

When those number of units should generally be shipped by. Anything else doesn't make sense.

But again, it's a tentative schedule. So don't plan on shooting with the RED One without any backup plan!