Schedule Dates - what do they mean?

[roryhinds]

Could we please find out what the schedule dates mean.

Does the date mean that the quota cameras will

1) Start shipping on that date 1 at a time (how many per day)
2) The complete quota would have shipped by this date
3) The complete quota will ship on this date

Regards
Rory

 

[Ben Ponce]

Fair Question. Jim?

 

[Greg M]

:sarcasm: mine is scheduled to ship on Sept 15th, can you please let me know what time it is shipping, will it ship at 12:01am or not until 11am. I really dont wont to wait until 7pm for mine to get on the truck:sarcasm:

 

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

LOL, good point digitalfx, I mean what is the date supposed to mean? That's like a whole 24 hour period, even if we knew it was shipping on that exact day, or arriving on that exact day, there's still a lot of uncertainty there.

I think people are a bit too keyed in on getting the date exact when I'm not sure that's where we are in the process right now. If the dates are relatively tentative, then just be happy with a general frame of reference. I was originally told my RED would be delivered in late 2007 or more likely early 2008. Then Friday I learned it would be around February 10 most likely, which to me was right in line with what I was expecting, and I was actually happy that it wasn't going to be like next summer. So that's good enough for me, if it's somewhere between late January and late February even, good enough ballpark figure.

 

[Luke Boyce]

Okay. I think you guys are reading too much into this question. We're not trying to get specifics here. We're not asking for the exact date and time of arrival. It's just that Jim's post is a little confusing. Even Mike Curtis was curious as to what it meant.

Basically, the question is. Do those dates refer to the approximate date of arrival or shipping?

For instance, I have RED #456. Now, when I look at the schedule I want to know whether it means that numbers 300-700 will start shipping on November 10th and take until around December 10th to be delivered or will they start shipping after October 10th and take until around November 10th to arrive. It's a legitimate question.

I'm not asking about the specific date and time or whatever. I realize that this is a speculative schedule and that you've got to take it with some grain of salt, but we're just wondering if the date's given are referring to the dates by which all of those units will have been received by or when they actually start shipping said units.

 

[Noah Kadner]

Each reservation holder's camera will arrive on the scheduled day via helicopter at precisely 4:59 pm, local time.

Noah

 

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

Now THAT'S service!

 

[Gunleik Groven]

I just knew that was the case.

Thanks Jim!

(... what one can indulge after freeing oneself from the burdens of oakley -

Gunleik

 

[Greg M]

Each reservation holder's camera will arrive on the scheduled day via helicopter at precisely 4:59 pm, local time.

Noah

Great, but is that local time from Red Headquarters or my local time?
I am shooting a feature that day and need to know now.

 

[Luke Boyce]

So should I just assume this question isn't going to be answered honestly? Cause it's been asked a few times and still not been answered.

 

[Greg M]

guys, I think you need to chill. The only one who might know the answer is Jim. He gave you a "tentative" schedule, I'm sure as soon as he knows the anwser you will be the first to know. Until then cut him some slack, he gave us a very nice estimated timeline, which is far more than most manufactures at this stage of production would provide.

 

[ChristopherKenworthy]

I agree that this needs to be answered. Whether these dates are tentative or not, they are utterly meaningless unless we know whether they are START dates or COMPLETION dates for shipping. This subject keeps getting brought up by reservation holders, is never answered by the Red team, and everybody else takes the piss. If Jim posted that list, I assume he wanted us to know roughly when our cameras might ship. That is not the case.

 

[Keith Alan Morris]

hope for the best, plan for the worst...

 

[David Mullen ASC]

I'm sure you are getting the best estimates from the RED team regarding shipping dates as is possible. Any more precision regarding the dates would probably require more guessing on their part, which is pointless if you need accuracy. You'll know more when they know more.

 

[Greg M]

Whether these dates are tentative or not, they are utterly meaningless unless we know whether they are START dates or COMPLETION dates for shipping.

You can always ask for a refund.

 

[ChristopherKenworthy]

Refund? Lovely joke digitalfx. And David, I quite agree that precision is not Red's aim, in terms of shipping. But it's a bit frustrating for this schedule to have a built-in ambiguity. I don't mind everything being tentative - that's what we're playing here - but I just wish I knew what my tentative date was. With Res 1408 I have no idea whether my tentative delivery date is mid-December or mid-January.

Regarding that refund you joked about. We all know that putting $1000 down for this miracle was no risk. The real risk we've all taken is planning, hoping and organising the future around the Red camera. So, a month makes a difference.

But as nobody's answering the question, I'll relax and assume that my Red One will be here before February, which will do fine thanks.

 

[Steven M. Bailey]

hope for the best, plan for the worst...

Pray for the best, expect the worst, then hope for nothing, and you'll never be disappointed.:wink:

Nobody knows anything more than what we know right now, and if They do, they aren't going to tell us. It would be irresponsible to say the least.

If Jim says they'll tentatively ship around December 10th I'm good till January. If Jim tells me it will be there on December 10th at 10AM, I will be seeing more than RED if it's not there by the 12th. That kind of anticipation and let down could kill a guy. Not that the red team wants to disappoint us, but we all know that crap happens. :calm:

Looks like I'll be looking toward Santa for my big red package.

Even Santa's late somtimes.

 

[Miltos Pilalitos]

So, a month makes a difference.

I agree with you 100% Christopher. My camera is in the same 500 group like yours and i also would like to know if the schedule's date means "Until that" or "After that".

I don't need to know the time or what kind of weather we will have at the moment the camera ships, but since this group will be likely shared between 2007 and 2008 it makes a huge difference to the way i will manage my taxes to know what this date means.

 

[Luke Boyce]

I'm sure you are getting the best estimates from the RED team regarding shipping dates as is possible. Any more precision regarding the dates would probably require more guessing on their part, which is pointless if you need accuracy. You'll know more when they know more.

No, okay. Let me try to explain this one more time. We're NOT asking for any more SPECIFIC details regarding shipping. I completely understand that they're tentative and I could not even possibly get mine till the beginning of next year. That is fully understood!

But the schedule that Jim presented is confusing in it's actual form. When Jim wrote those dates they HAD to mean something. Either dates that shipping for those particular units began or dates that shipping for those particular units completed. What did Jim mean by those dates? We're not asking for any EXTRA information here! We're asking for CLARIFICATION of something Jim already stated.

I think that people on this board are a little too scared about other people biting the hands that feed them, but that's not what this is. We're not whining about getting any MORE information. We just want clarification.

What do the dates mean. That's the question. It's a simple question. Jim knew it when he wrote them, he just didn't clarify enough what they meant specifically. No disrespect. Just an honest question.

 

[Mark L. Pederson]

But the schedule that Jim presented is confusing in it's actual form. When Jim wrote those dates they HAD to mean something. Either dates that shipping for those particular units began or dates that shipping for those particular units completed. What did Jim mean by those dates? We're not asking for any EXTRA information here! We're asking for CLARIFICATION of something Jim already stated.

I thought it was rather obvious that they were target shipping dates.

This would mean that the units would ship BEFORE the target date.

It does NOT say HOW MANY units will be shipped PER DAY, or PER WEEK - it's a tentative TARGET schedule, and in his own words, he's a bit gun-shy about posting it -

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that when they get to 200 units (or even 50) - most likely they will NOT SHIP on the SAME DAY -

Bottom line - you need to be thinking that your camera will ship AROUND such and such date - maybe a little BEFORE - maybe a little AFTER - and that ASSUMES no problems in the BETAS - and even though RED's suppliers are "committed" - doesn't mean they wont drop the ball - one supplier of one part doesn't deliver .... well ... another delay -

Expect more delays.

HOPE your camera(s) ship SOME DAY BEFORE the date Jim posted.

And again, GOD SPEED THE BETAS!