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RED #8 testing team & some details

the few... the proud... the brave...

the few... the proud... the brave...

Thanks for running point on this Gibby.

We'll follow your lead. And thank you team members for contributing your time and expertese.

You will help launch this system and save all of us much time and hardship by walking the bleeding edge and holding RED to the fire.

the few... the proud... the brave...

There's gotta be a movie in this somewhere... :detective2:

aloha,

Keith
 
Steve,

My 2 cents: test the over/undercrank/timelapse features, and any slowshutter sweetness with the timelapse. Best of success on the testing, man. And remember, I've got this 7-layer jell-o just sittin' here waiting for you... :)
 
pixelchef said:
My 2 cents: test the over/undercrank/timelapse features, and any slowshutter sweetness with the timelapse. Best of success on the testing, man.
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It will be interesting to see if or how much of the frame rate and shutter settings are enabled in RED #8. Hopefully variable rates and shutter speeds will be there.
 
Gibby,

I also have access to RED #47.

If a two cam scenario would allow for more setups/tests to be performed, I'd be happy to arrange the goods.

Come to think of it, one cam could be doing the standard chart testing and the other shooting live action, ideas?
 
ultimate fanboy or just a shill?

ultimate fanboy or just a shill?

I've organized a team for independent testing of RED
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Evin Grant has accepted my invitation to direct the testing.
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team members who have accepted invitations are:...Haakon, Brook Willard...and Jeff Kilgroe.
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How independent is this test if the testers are mainly moderators of this site: Evin Grant, Häakon, Brook Willard, Jeff Kilgroe?
Why not include Ivan Kragoff?

Nobody is being paid for their time spent testing
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Nobody has asked me to organize the testing of RED #8. It was completely my own idea
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I'd rather have a test done by Jarred Land. I know he works for RED and is on the pay roll, but at least he is up front about it.
 
Anyone who works for RED (like Jarred) has already been testing the camera in various stages for the past year... so I'm not sure what the point would be in asking them to conducts more tests for users who are receiving their own cameras, as opposed to the new owners now testing the cameras for themselves.

Usually when a new camera comes out, it's up to the users to put them through tests, a few designed to discover the camera's "breaking points" -- how it handles extremes in exposure, for example, like in a super low-light situation.

Companies who build these cameras generally don't release the results of such worst-case scenario tests themselves since it does not show their product at its best and therefore may confuse the public. However, the typical user will want to know if they can go out at night and rate the camera at 2000 ASA or higher and get decent results. They'll want to know when it burns out to white or goes to black, etc.

All I'm saying is that the type of tests that users do tend to be different than the type that companies shoot and release to the public.

Besides, I'm sure Jarred must be very busy over at RED...

Surely, Eugene, you aren't suggesting that someone like Gibby not test his camera when he gets ahold of it?
 
well i think most of us just plain and simply will believe Mr. Gibby ( & team) ...
we've read his post over the year and we have a gut feeling about his character ... i have no question that he'll speak the results good & bad - straight from the hip - up front ...

as far as the rest of the team ... well just like the film business - if Gibby says this is the team then i'm with them and do not have any doubts about the test ...

also remember many test are very subjective and some are just the test charts ...
 
Sounds fantastic, and can't wait to see the results. In another thread, Jim was warning us to point fans at the camera and keep it under an umbrella if it's a hot day because of the risk of sensor noise. Any chance you can go outside, let the camera get really hot, and see how it affects sensor noise? I ask, as I'll be shooting outside in Australia a lot of the time, and won't always be able to set up a whole rig of cooling devices around the camera.
 
All tests, anyone's tests, are never definitive -- they always have to be taken with a grain of salt ("your milage may vary..."). It has nothing to do with honesty or competency or anything like that, just that there are too many variables involved for any test to be the final word. Looking at someone else's tests does not relieve you of the burden of shooting your own tests.

But they are interesting and informative, and can allow you to design your own tests better.
 
Hypothetically speaking here of course... If there was a big negative discovery and/or impression of the camera, do you guys feel that you could remain unbiased and would you publicly disclose the information? I just had to ask because that's essential for the tests to be relevant to the rest of us.
 
Eugene, what planet are you from?

Eugene, what planet are you from?

Dude,

I can only wonder what you are thinking by questioning Steve Gibby's integrity with your ridiculous post. Especially by only citing the "moderators" as team members?

Industry veterans the likes of Ralph Oshiro, David Mullen ASC, Charles Papert SOC and ME are integral parts of the test team for #8. I personally used my reputation and industry contacts to secure the testing facility/studio owned and operated by two of the most camera agnostic A-list DP/Producers in our business. There is no promise of a Red Bible from a two day test, HOWEVER, I can tell you now that if my name is attached to this project there will be no sequestered information or company propaganda as inferred by your ludicrous post. Plan well in advance, test hard, be clever, find the achilles tendon of the camera and address the optical options in depth. That is what I signed up for with the tests planned for #8.

I must say that in my mere two decades in the entertainment business I have met fewer than two producers with Gibby's sense of loyalty and level of integrity. This is a man that can not be bought and will never betray a promise, friend or business partner. That is why I chose to form a production company with him to produce a RED digital 3D feature, HDTV series and other as yet to be announced cutting edge RED projects.

Fanboy?

I have never met Mr. Jannard or the RED team, have no affiliation with RED and am certainly not a paid spokesperson for RED - not that they need it at this point. I am a reservation holder because it makes good business sense - fully refundable deposit with interest - DUH. I would echo the sage words of David Mullen here, "the right tool for the right job."

And that is "upfront about it" little buddy.

Sharky
 
Sarmoti said:
Hypothetically speaking here of course... If there was a big negative discovery and/or impression of the camera, do you guys feel that you could remain unbiased and would you publicly disclose the information? I just had to ask because that's essential for the tests to be relevant to the rest of us.
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Since it's Gibby's show (and camera), that would be his call... but I would assume that the responsible thing to do would be to double-check any results that seemed unusually poor before on reporting it, to rule out human error on the part of those doing the testing. But if any unexpected poor performance issues could be verified, reconfirmed, I think most of us would be allowed to discuss it honestly and openly, although with the caveat of "your own tests may show different results."

The trick would be to not allow any negative comments to be blown out of proportion or taken out of context. Partly this would be a matter of tone in regards to the reporting.

Like I said, Gibby is organizing this and the results will presented in whatever manner he feels is correct.

If you are worried that the testing is only some sort of marketing gimmick to sell more RED cameras, I wouldn't worry. I wouldn't be involved in the test if I thought that. Besides, there would be no point in hiding anything since over the next year, you're going to be flooded with tests shot by other people anyway. I've found, over the years, that a product can't hide its essential character once it's released to the public. Marketing only works until the day of release, just like when a movie is released to the public -- after that, word of mouth takes over.
 
Eugene,

Ken (sharkguy) and David said it all very well. I just wanted to add that Gibby has included the REDUSER moderators so that we can get a jump-start with the camera and help answer the impending flood of questions. Besides, we're not just moderators here, we all have various levels of experience and expertise and each of us have something to contribute. I'm about 80% sure I'll be able to attend and participate in these tests and will try my best to do so. I'll be taking time out of my schedule to fly in from out of state to help out the test team in any way I can. All on my own dime. I have no affiliation with RED and have never met Jim, any of the RED team members or members of Gibby's test team in person. I'm doing this out of sheer interest and enthusiasm for RED and what it can offer. I can't wait to scrutinize the footage and comp it with CG and live chromakey or roto elements. My plans for RED mostly lean toward VFX and shooting live elements to be combined with animation. That is where I would like to evaluate the test footage and help out the team. On that note you could just call me selfish in that I'm scoping out my planned $50K plus equipment purchase. Or call me a fanboy if you want, but this is my chance to help the community. Steve Gibby has tried to assemble a very diverse team in order to negate criticism such as this. I really don't know what else could be done to make it more un-biased.
 
I assure you that I have never been in the employ of Red. I will be donating my time and effort for this endevor just as I did at NAB. I have a track record of camera testing dating back to the original DVX100 that should suffice to eliminate any worry about bias. I was asked by Panasonic after the HVX200 test that Jarred, Barry Green and myself did If I would like to be on the back of the broshure, It seemed like good exposure to me but I was never paid for that little trick either. I have no issue with aligning myslef with those products and companies that produce products I use and believe in but I am not a schill. I do not just vomit up the Coolaid whenever someone asks a hard question. We will push #8 to it's limits and beyond, and we will determine as best is possible in the two days alloted what it is and isn't capable of. We all expect the best, but are by no means willing to comprimise our own integrity for some psudo-allegiance to Red as religion the way some seem to be precieveing us.
E.
 
I really am looking forward to start seeing the first tests from Gibby and others as the cameras start to ship. I am really curios to see how they do.
 
Eugene

I'm not sure where that little outpouring of cynicism came from, but I think an apology to Gibby and the test crew is in order. They owe you (or any of us) nothing and you have no reason to question their integrity.

Most of the guys listed have contributed a great deal to this forum and many of us have learned a lot from these contributions. I have every faith that they will give us a "warts and all" report.

But you know what, I seriously doubt there will be any warts. I think we have seen enough of Jim and team's modus operandi to know that they are their own harshest critics, and to know that they would not let a second rate product out the door.

I bet they can't wait for this sort of independent testing, and the sound of jaws hitting the floor when the first owners get to see what the camera can do.
 
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