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I'll also be interested in the effect of heat on sensor noise.

It'll be funny if the guys in the antarctic get a much better signal to noise ratio and we all end up carrying around portable camera fridges to match their clean images ;)

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
There is no question that heat is the enemy of any sensor. Take a white umbrella, a fan, anything you can to keep any digital camera from over-heating. Some climates are just not sensor friendly. But you can do it. You just need to be aware of the limits of digital and prepare for it.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
There is no question that heat is the enemy of any sensor. Take a white umbrella, a fan, anything you can to keep any digital camera from over-heating. Some climates are just not sensor friendly. But you can do it. You just need to be aware of the limits of digital and prepare for it.

Jim
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Jim, we do not doubt you! Now when are you guys going to be in LA when it's not during work hours? I looked for you guys at CineGear today. Didn't find you. Sad.

Cheers

Bruce
 
Watch out for that Soderbergh guy! Canon made a big deal about him shooting "Full Frontal" with their XL1S cameras until they actually saw what he did with them.

The rottentomatoes.com critical consensus calls "Full Frontal" "A confusing movie made worse by the poor camera work." I know a lot of people like Steven Soderbergh's movies, but I can't stand his "style".
 
Red in SA

Red in SA

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Can't wait to share info. At least one rental company will have 5 Reds in South Africa, from what I hear. Chances of them being "tested" amidst baking heat, dripping humidiy, mud, dust, angry animals and of course torrential rain are high, especially since in South Africa, all of the above often happen during the same day ;) I have some friends who practically live out in the bush. I am trying to convince them to buy Reds. They don't have the cash yet, though...

I agree that ability to survive in adverse weather is a key thing... I was checking out the Kobold HMIs at Cinegear in LA today and thinking how nice it would be to have those back in SA with me.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
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Bruce, tell me, what Rental companies in SA are you referring to? I know I'm one of the early adopters of the Red camera here in Cape Town, but I'm not sure how many more rez holders we have here at the moment.

It will be interesting to see how my camera performs in the middle of summer (Nov/Dec in the Southern hemisphere) which is when I hope to get mine. We have several features lined up in various stages of prep and even having most of the financing hinged upon our delivery of the RedOne.

What a camera!

EDIT: On a lighter note, tell me Bruce, what parts of South Africa are you describing up there? Not where I live, I can guarantee you that.
 
Yeah Full Frontal was a terrible piece of trash. I like Soderbergh, actually, he's made some really good films, that just wasn't one of them. That movie was total garbage and I have never seen a movie on the big screen with such pathetic resolution and unbelievably bad picture quality.

They shot 28 Days Later with the same camera and it looked totally professional, and Soderbergh did it and it looked awful. I'm not sure what happened.

Anyway, as Bart Simpson would say of that movie, "I never thought it was physically possible but this both sucks and blows."

I'm looking forward to his work with the RED, though, he is a good filmmaker I think and it'll be interesting to see.
 
I want to take RED on a Rainier summit expedition. With the current shipping schedule it doesn't look like it'll be this season so maybe next year. I look forward to hearing feedback on environmental reliability as well.
 
Mardi_Gras said:
Bruce, tell me, what Rental companies in SA are you referring to? I know I'm one of the early adopters of the Red camera here in Cape Town, but I'm not sure how many more rez holders we have here at the moment.
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(Cough) I heard a relaible rumor that DigitalFilm (www.digitalfilm.co.za) had ordered 5. Hope they're not pissed at me for spreading it further and that they view it as free advertising instead. Anyway, they're very nice people, I have rented from them multiple times and they always take time to help you with the camera, etc. Talk to Frank. Let's hope they still like me and will rent to me!

Mardi_Gras said:
It will be interesting to see how my camera performs in the middle of summer (Nov/Dec in the Southern hemisphere) which is when I hope to get mine. We have several features lined up in various stages of prep and even having most of the financing hinged upon our delivery of the RedOne.
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I am betting it will be great. We don't really worry about cooling our DSLRs (even though it has been proven that they work much better when cold), so I am hoping it will be fine.

Good luck with the features, and if you need some referrals to other Red-aware, digital-savvy South Africans, let me know.

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EDIT: On a lighter note, tell me Bruce, what parts of South Africa are you describing up there? Not where I live, I can guarantee you that.
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Yeah, Cape Town is much better weather-wise.

I am thinking more KwaZulu-Natal or Jo'burg / Gauteng. A crazy day in the bush, with a nice afternoon thunderstorm.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
My dad was going to visit South Africa earlier this year, but because of my mom's death he didn't end up going. I did this homework assignment once where I had to plan a trip to South Africa and it got me really excited about actually visiting one day, haha, it seems like it'd be really fun.
 
Bruce Allen said:
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Yeah, Cape Town is much better weather-wise.

I am thinking more KwaZulu-Natal or Jo'burg / Gauteng. A crazy day in the bush, with a nice afternoon thunderstorm.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
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We live in Blouberg. This is Cape Town from my balcony, with the Table mountain in the background.
 
JonathanLB said:
My dad was going to visit South Africa earlier this year, but because of my mom's death he didn't end up going. I did this homework assignment once where I had to plan a trip to South Africa and it got me really excited about actually visiting one day, haha, it seems like it'd be really fun.
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Very sorry to hear that about your mom. PM me when you do decide to visit SA, though...

Now I am getting totally OT. Uh, what can I offer? Um, I looked up sensor noise due to heat and the only quantitative analysis I have found so far is on DPreview, where they tested to see if using the live view function on a Sony still camera increaded noise at all:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscr1/page16.asp
"Effect of heat build-up from live view (over time) on noise

One thing we were concerned about was the build-up of heat in the sensor due to the live view. To test this we took a sequence of noise tests at two minute intervals. Between sequences the live view was constantly maintained. Below ISO 1600 there is almost no difference, at ISO 1600 we saw a small spike near the end of the test. At ISO 3200 we can see a very slight increase in noise but this fell away at the end of the test (camera modifying noise reduction level to compensate for sensor temperature?)."

But that is not very good at all. Anyone have tests of Stouffer wedges with the camera heated to different temperatures?

Oh damn, I just read the original topic of this thread and realized I am still probably still way off topic. Going to sleep now. Sorry, all.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
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RED will be used more on the "Wanted" set as we come out of engineering hold. New cameras leave for Prague tomorrow.

Steven Soderbergh has given permission for me to say that he will shoot "The Argentine" and "Guerrilla" on RED. That's assuming we can get him cameras on time! :-)

There will be a couple of other announcements as soon as we get permission from the studios.

Jim
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If you need any help with these field tests...I'd be happy to dedicate my time to the event... :)
 
The Third Man said:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=785&d=1182674072

Amazing! Inspirational point of view at the edge of the continent. Somehow it's good to start a film about Africa from there.
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Thanks, Sanjin. This is Robben Island (notice the Lighthouse in the distance), also from my balcony's perspective. Nelson Mandela was imprisoned here for 27 years by the Apartheid (white minority) regime before being released in 1990.

I hope to shoot some nice 4k footage from the Island, his cell room etc...
 
Heat

Heat

I shoot mostly in Texas where the sun is a big problem causing overheating in black cameras. It's been talked about here before, but black is really more of a vanity color than a functional one. You can always put some black fabric over a white camera if you see it reflected in the surface of a car or glass. I'd much rather have a white camera I can take outside on a sunny day than a black one that overheats. It's hard to deal with umbrellas in the wind. I have two reds on order, #100 and number ?. What are the chances for factory white paint option by the years end? It would be great to have a black one for the studio/interiors and nights and a white one for a sunny day.
 
Sheltie Guy said:
I shoot mostly in Texas where the sun is a big problem causing overheating in black cameras. It's been talked about here before, but black is really more of a vanity color than a functional one. You can always put some black fabric over a white camera if you see it reflected in the surface of a car or glass. I'd much rather have a white camera I can take outside on a sunny day than a black one that overheats. It's hard to deal with umbrellas in the wind. I have two reds on order, #100 and number ?. What are the chances for factory white paint option by the years end? It would be great to have a black one for the studio/interiors and nights and a white one for a sunny day.
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Why don't we wait to see if there really is a problem 1st? Peter Jackson shot Boris and Natasha in the NZ sun for two days straight and they were on A LOT! They never got hot once. Now, admittedly we are enabling more features, but I think the problem will only be a potential issue in extreme conditions.

If you want white, we'll consider a special paint at an increased cost (not sure what that means right now). But before we ever did something like that, I'd want to measure the effectiveness of the color change.

Jim
 
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