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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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As always, appreciate the honestly and the integrity from you and your team, Jim. No problem from this res holder...

And on a lighter note, I think if Jarred just sends out a few more images of Noelle in the meantime, it would be enough of a pleasant distraction for all those hitting refresh on their browsers day to day...

And to everyone at Red... take a vacation day. Please.
 
don't feel bad

don't feel bad

Sony had product delays with the PS3. It is to be expected.
 
And on a lighter note, I think if Jarred just sends out a few more images of Noelle in the meantime, it would be enough of a pleasant distraction for all those hitting refresh on their browsers day to day....
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Let us not forget our dear Kelly!!!....Red Jello wrestling between the two?

is that crass...sorry...overactive imagination.
 
We have total confidence in you, as you know.

Thanks for the update.
 
Damn the torpedos...Full Speed Ahead!!

Damn the torpedos...Full Speed Ahead!!

As long as these are managable delays, I think we're all in agreement that delays are part of the process and you guys should take the time necessary to work things out.

If, on the other hand, you are backed into a corner with seemingly no way out - like - "In theory this looked like a good idea but in practice..." then it may be time to put on another pot of coffee and dig in.

You guys had an amazing run up to this point but don't let these hurdles set you back and get you down. We all have tremendous faith in your skills and determination to change the course of history and make our lives better for it.

Very often what happens is when overcoming challenges like the ones you are facing you find even more elegant or resouceful solutions than you planned for in the beginning - and the delay turns out to be a blessing in disguise.

In Hawaii, we believe everything happens for a reason and that everything will happen when it is supposed to happen.

The jews have a saying, "Man plans... and God laughs."

And, As they say, "all good things come to those who wait" so waiting will only make things better for us all in the long run.

Don't worry, you will have no pressure from us.

Jim, you have been more than fair, always acted with integrity, and your willingness to share with us what I know is very difficult news to share, is a testiment to the quality of leader you are.

As an Ex- Navy, combat Vietnam veteran, I'd follow you into battle anywhere - so lead on RED leader - we've got your six.

Aloha,

Keith :shiftyph34r:
 
One or two months of delay are nothing compared to the one decade (or more) that i was made to believe will be the lifespan of this camera! (I hope even more)

I remember when i was waiting for my European JVC HD100 there was a delay of 2 or 3 months! They first released the JAP and US models which were found to be buggy so they had to make some hardware changes before they re-release it for the European market.

2 months after i finally got it, the firmware had to be upgraded because even more things had to be ironed out...

8 months later there was a new hardware revision that they called HD110! In less than a year i felt my camera was already old! This is something i hate nowadays and i hope i will not go through again with the RED.

Please take all the time to make things right!

Miltos
 
Keith Nealy said:
As an Ex- Navy, combat Vietnam veteran, I'd follow you into battle anywhere - so lead on RED leader - we've got your six.

Aloha,

Keith :shiftyph34r:
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Very nicely put Keith. I'm a full-tour Viet Nam ( 1 year) U.S. Air Force veteran, and I couldn't agree more...

Aloha...
 
euro strong, dollar weak

euro strong, dollar weak

The longer the delay, the better for those paying in Euros. The US dollar (and economy) are on the decline.

I remember when I was in Asia in 1997 when the currency conversion rate got better every day. It was great (for a US tourist,) untill riots started because people couldn't afford to buy food.

You guys in Europe have it made. The RED ONE gets cheaper every day. Just don't wait too long to buy one, because Jim might have to up the price if inflation rises.
 
Jim, we understand. These things happen in business!

tom
 
Keeping us in the loop is just such a Class Act Jim and I fully appreciate what its like dealing with suppliers and ironing out all the zillions of tiny details in ramping up for production.
 
Not a big deal

Not a big deal

I'm not someone waiting for a unit at the moment, so it's easy for me to say:

As a project manager (PMP), unless they padded their ship date significantly, a 90 day delay wouldn't even be a big surprise. The number of unknowns in a project like this must be extremely high. This is their first camera, with many "firsts" in technology, which is effectively a complex computer.

No one said there was going to be a 90 day delay, yet, but in my mind even a few months wouldn't count. If Red ships within 90 days of the set date, I'll find it a complete miracle! And, it looks like they are going to pull it off!

From a marketing perspective I'm sure the slippage stings... Watching history being made via the Internet has been a wonderful ride!

For a CEO to be so direct with the user base is incredibly refreshing!

Thank you, Red Team!:weight_lift:

-Jerry
 
Reasonably short delay is acceptable. Just keep the product as promised or better. We all support you and the RED team.
 
Well Jim,

I'm cool.. But I'm also gonna be the honest one in the group and say if there is not at least a locked schedule by June, I will be very very worrried.

I don' t mind a delay that is clear and understood, but this "until further notice" type stuff can be a little frightening. I know many products that have died of old age at this very point.

You have tried so hard to be upfront, that it has bitten you a little.. To have a schedule, and then pull it off... Ouch... Yes you have always said "dates subject to change" but I am sure you know, no body really listened to that!

I have no doubt you will not post another schedule until you are pretty damn sure of the date.

As for me personally, as long as I know the delay is not living in an "unknown" timeframe, I LOVE the delay... Gives me time to get a better cash flow. Always a good thing!

Jay
 
RED has ramped up the digital revolution by several years, maybe even 10-15 before the majors would be willing or able to deliver a system like this, at this price point. maybe never.....so what's a few months?

stay with it, RED team.
 
planet e said:
RED has ramped up the digital revolution by several years, maybe even 10-15 before the majors would be willing or able to deliver a system like this, at this price point. maybe never.....so what's a few months?

stay with it, RED team.
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In my opinion it´s more like 5 years. But the ultimate differences none of the other big guys can beat is pricing, user feedback and workflow.
 
I have to agree with Jay. I am getting nervous.
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Well Jim,

I'm cool.. But I'm also gonna be the honest one in the group and say if there is not at least a locked schedule by June, I will be very very worrried.

I don' t mind a delay that is clear and understood, but this "until further notice" type stuff can be a little frightening. I know many products that have died of old age at this very point.

You have tried so hard to be upfront, that it has bitten you a little.. To have a schedule, and then pull it off... Ouch... Yes you have always said "dates subject to change" but I am sure you know, no body really listened to that!

I have no doubt you will not post another schedule until you are pretty damn sure of the date.

As for me personally, as long as I know the delay is not living in an "unknown" timeframe, I LOVE the delay... Gives me time to get a better cash flow. Always a good thing!

Jay
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I understand what your saying Jay. Perhaps a tiny bit more information from Jim could ease the concern that some reservation holders are having.

Supplier difficulties could be any number of issues. Is it sensor supplies. Is it the body supplies or red drives or just some electronic parts and so forth. sensor supplies would be a real concern to everyone. It would be re-assuring to know that the supplier diffficulties are not serious but just simply pain in the a... delays.

I can fully understand the ton of details problems. Heck if we are all honest we have asked for more and more and red have done their absolute best to accomodate us in our requests. Some of these requests were well thought out details that demonstrate a great sense of expertise and knowledge by very clever DPs. I have been studying all this stuff for twop years now and i take my hat off to you guys, this whole business in complex detailed and hugely challanging. Red team are trying to supply a camera that satisfies such talented people and also ensure it specs way exceed your expectations and hugely innovative ideas.

A liitle unfair Jay to say they have bitten off more than they can chew. They have taken a massive bite out of the world of digital cinema. A liitle indigestion is no real suprise is it, in fact they have already achieved miracles.

I love your posts Jay and realise what you are saying but others new to this forum may take a different view of your post. At this difficult period for red team we should all be uniting firmly behind red and ease the massive pressure that must be building up for red team.

Get it right. Do it right. and deliver it as you see fit. We are with you all the way team red.

Mike the beginner
 
If I may opine, this is my take on what's really happening behind the scenes:
I think the RED team's been ready for product release since shortly before NAB; But after NAB, the team came away with the realization that we only get ONE chance, only ONE chance to make an industry-changing impact, and if God4bid we fall short of that, not only is it embarrassing, but it also gives competitors a chance to capitalize on any possible weaknesses our product might present. Now, at this point, the RED team knows where all the possibilities and limits of our product lie(notice I say "our":biggrin: ), so I totally understand that at some point, the team felt obligated to meet the announced release date with the knowledge that the product could still be improved upon. But then they thought, why not make this BOMB as devastating (devastating to competitors) as it can be, while giving our faithful clients the best product we are able to produce right now instead of planning for unnecessary future upgrades? BTW, I've been drinking...:)
 
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