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All about the "brain"

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Ok so there is a lot of confusing information when it comes to the "brain" and what does it have in it. Can someone confirm what the "brain" is built of? Does it have a battery inside? I see that all the brains have a power switch on the right side and 3 inputs/outputs on the lower back , what are they ? Also Since the FIX LENS version seems to be thicker , why is that so? It is because there is more space needed for the fix lens mechanism? I would like somebody to let us know all this information if possible. Thanks!!:detective2:
 
Can't answer all of your questions, but the brains don't have built in power/storage. Why sell two different types of modules that provide battery power if you already have it built in?

Of course, that is likely not true of the fixed lens version of the Scarlet.
 
I just want to know if the brains are upgradable for newer sensors for the future?

Never mind.
 
David Dennis said:
Jim says they are not - the brain is specific to the sensor.

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Wait, let me make sure I get this right (and do you have a link to a quote?)

But if I buy the S35, I cannot upgrade to the FF35 later? I was under the impression that the components in all the brains (save the fixed lens 2/3) were upgradeable. I certainly Hope that I can eventually install the FF35 sensor in my s35 body!
 
Jonathan Wheeler said:
You cannot upgrade only the sensor, but you are able to buy a whole new brain. Then you can use all the other parts with the new brain.
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And you can still use the old Brain as a backup or a B camera.

Emmanuel
 
Based on this post.

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22052

The electronic video processing (sensor reading/redcode encoder) stuff in the brain has to be more hefty on the larger res models. Thus not only the sensor but the video processing electronics would need upgraded. This is why you just get a new brain as all that would be left and compatible would be the metal/plastic enclosure parts.
 
I am a little confused. But it sounds like to me that upgrading to a new brain would be the equivalent of upgrading my DSLR body? I can use it with my old lenses, memory cards, etc?

Is this correct? If so then upgrading the brain is very misleading or just wrong. Why not just say buy a new camera body?

Do you get a discount based on your previous purchase? That is how upgrade's usually work. Maybe I am missing something...
 
gskowal said:
(..)Also Since the FIX LENS version seems to be thicker , why is that so? It is because there is more space needed for the fix lens mechanism?(...)
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I don't recall where, but somewhere here I read the lens actually goes inside the casing to a certain degree, yes. Why - I don't know. But it takes up the additional space in there however.

Jojo
 
Jim Klatt said:
I am a little confused. But it sounds like to me that upgrading to a new brain would be the equivalent of upgrading my DSLR body? I can use it with my old lenses, memory cards, etc?

Is this correct? If so then upgrading the brain is very misleading or just wrong. Why not just say buy a new camera body?

Do you get a discount based on your previous purchase? That is how upgrade's usually work. Maybe I am missing something...
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So lets say you want to upgrade the sensor of your "RED brain", that would require increased processing power to handle the increased data flow - so you'd have to upgrade that as well, right? Well - that's all the brain is.

Unlike upgrading a DSLR body, you get to keep not only your batteries, but the entire powering system, and not only your memory cards, but the actual drive, not to mention your LCD/viewfinder. It's more like putting in a new motherboard and CPU into your computer, except even better. 100% of the "support" components will be transferable.

And where are you getting discounts on upgrades? Panasonic hasn't offered me any discounts to upgrade to the HVX-200A.
 
Frame on Demand?

Frame on Demand?

Will any of the brains be capable of frame on demand? I'd like to be able to trigger the camera based on any arbitrary intermittent events with a relay or optical switch. If the sensor free runs then there will be blur.
 
Sheldon said:
So lets say you want to upgrade the sensor of your "RED brain", that would require increased processing power to handle the increased data flow - so you'd have to upgrade that as well, right? Well - that's all the brain is.

Unlike upgrading a DSLR body, you get to keep not only your batteries, but the entire powering system, and not only your memory cards, but the actual drive, not to mention your LCD/viewfinder. It's more like putting in a new motherboard and CPU into your computer, except even better. 100% of the "support" components will be transferable.

And where are you getting discounts on upgrades? Panasonic hasn't offered me any discounts to upgrade to the HVX-200A.
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But I cannot "upgrade" my DSLR body. I have to buy a buy a new one. There is no trade-in option. Which means that I keep all of that stuff anyways. That was my whole point.

If I am buying a second "brain" at the same price as somebody else is who doesn't have a brain(no pun intended) yet, they better not be taking any of the parts away... that would be theft. :/

I don't think it should be called an upgrade. If I owned an HVX200 and purchased an HVX200a then I would just say that I bought a second camera
that has more features.
 
"brain"=sensor brick in my understanding.

E.g. upgrading from a 3k Scarlet to a 5k is like buying a new 'brain brick', whilst keeping hold of viewfinder/LCD brick, storage brick, 12V power brick etc. (of course, you have to sell off those c-mount mini Red lenses and buy PL-mount 'biggies'...).

Interesting idea, that modular approach, but engineering wise I am not sure how they deal with the different data streams that come from the different 'brains'. (e.g. a 6k Scarlet 'brain' has a 4 times data output than a 3k Scarlet 'brain' at the same framerate).
 
Jim Klatt said:
But I cannot "upgrade" my DSLR body. I have to buy a buy a new one. There is no trade-in option. Which means that I keep all of that stuff anyways. That was my whole point.

If I am buying a second "brain" at the same price as somebody else is who doesn't have a brain(no pun intended) yet, they better not be taking any of the parts away... that would be theft. :/

I don't think it should be called an upgrade. If I owned an HVX200 and purchased an HVX200a then I would just say that I bought a second camera
that has more features.
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No they won't take any parts away. You'll have two brains, and the other guy will have one. You can put your second brain away as a backup in case of camera issues, use it as part of a B-Cam system or sell it on e-bay.

The interesting thing about the HVX situation is that the only difference between the two cameras is the sensor and the processing power. But Panasonic, like all camera manufacturers, have no upgrade path at all. That's what's exciting for me about Scarlet/Epic.
 
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