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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Red One Pipeline Diagram v1.0

Stuart English said:
Thanks for that Tranquil Light.

Seems to be HD-SDI only and 1024 x 768 pixel resolution based on reading the spec sheets. Anyone get a different read? Even so, nice product and we can connect to our dual link HD-SDI outpuit at 1080p, although if it is 1024 x 758 the resolution of the display is lower than 720p (which I think you will find is true for almost all of these LCD based field monitors.
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Yeah - you're right about the resolution - I hadn't looked at the PDF doc.

And they're not exactly cheap:

HDTV Price Sheet, 2007
HD/SD MONITORING
DM-3106 6” HD/SD LCD Monitor $5,500
DM-3008 8” HD/SD LCD Monitor 4:3 $5,500
DM-3009 8” HD/SD LCD monitor 4:3 $6,000
DM-3011 8”HD/SD LCD Monitor 16:9 $6,500
DM-3016 15” HD/SD LCD Monitor/Optional remote box $7,500
DM-3023 23” HD/SD LCD Monitor $9,500
DM-3032 32” HD-SD LCD Monitor $10,000
WM-3007 8” HD/SD Waveform/Vector scope monitor $11,000
WM-3014 6” HD/SD Waveform/Vector scope Monitor (fan less) $9,900

Oh well - back to the drawing board - I mean search engine on that one.

All the best, Phil
 
hmmm, wondering if JVC is a dirty word around here.
They are offering a 24" factory calibrated lcd that supports 1080p and 720p without scaling, with dual SDI and DVI for under 5K. Check my post in the color monitoring thread. If 720p is all that is needed for RED, they have a 20" model for even less.
fizxed broken link....

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL101631&feature_id=01&itempath=null
Maybe I misread the specs, so if someone wants to check...
 
Hi Zeke,

Nothing wrong with JVC in my book and I know Stuart English mentioned them before as well. I didn't know about the 20" one that sounds more useful than 24" one. Errm your link seems to be broken mate, any chance you could re-post it for me?

Thanks a lot. Phil
 
michael: perhaps you could add a little more detail to your chart: It is seen by more visitors that practically anything meaningful:

1. Data RAtesEsata to RED drive/RED flash for 4K raw (about 1000gb hr?)
2K RAW I couldn't find it?
RGB 1080P24?
1080I29.97?
720P24?

2. It would also be nice to see what the speed of each format coming out of the drive/flash by each type output.
 
Been away on a feature shoot. Just found some time to update. Here's the latest diagram with some additional monitors and transcoders added to the website.

I added image sizes where approprate.



tj williams said:
michael: perhaps you could add a little more detail to your chart: It is seen by more visitors that practically anything meaningful:

1. Data RAtesEsata to RED drive/RED flash for 4K raw (about 1000gb hr?)
2K RAW I couldn't find it?
RGB 1080P24?
1080I29.97?
720P24?

2. It would also be nice to see what the speed of each format coming out of the drive/flash by each type output.
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Data rates: Good idea. I'll dredge up info on data rates from the past threads and Mike Curtis' blog. I have noted data rates on the RedCine Workflow page.

The rates/sizes you ask about are all on the diagram already:
"2K RAW" = "2K RedCode 1-60fps" from the e-SATA port (I added "RAW" to the description now.)
"RGB 1080P24" = "1080p RGB 24,25,30fps" from the HDMI port
"1080I29.97" - there are no interlaced formats from the Red One. 1080P60 may be interlaced in post (stripping away half the data.)
"720P24" = "720p RGB 1-120fps (s16/B4)" coming from the HDMI port

Speeds coming off of drive/flash. Do you mean frame rate or data rate? One may presume the frame rates noted going into the drive/flash units will be the same coming off. Once I add the data rates, we may presume they will be the same coming off the drives as well.

edit: Actually, I suppose it's possible that dumping date off a capture drive can be faster than "realtime" recording. :-) Those data rates are still to be determined.

Michael
 
Wonderful diagram Michael, I've already used it to explain workflow to several clients...Thanks!!!

I have believed that the size of the sensor in windowed is the same regardless if we are recording 2k or 720P thus 2/3 would be ok on all windowed sizes. However with the caveat that 2/3 lenses must be converted to S16 coverage with the abakus adapter or equiv. thus they become in effect S16 Pl lenses.
have posted this other places to get an authoritive opinion, but it makes sense as other wise the 720 would all be tele on my S16 glass?

digital techy goof on me.... By speed fm camera I meant "data rate" by transfer output I meant time to transfer some quantity of material. sorry... but I'm still looking for where the perfs go on the mags???

Hope given the visability on this thread that RED TEAM will jump in to let us know the current "data rates" for the other recording formats incl: 2K raw and RGB 1080 720???? Saw that latest RED 4K raw is 95 now not 100...
 
Hi ,

Monitors should be used for postproduction too . After a tour in many forums i heard that grading or "color correction" may take hours in some compositing softwares that can handle 2K/4K resolution . As far as i'm concerned Red one is a revolutionary 2K/4K camera , otherwise i'll get an HDXcam or Panasonic P2 . Now the question is when transcoding using redcine to uncompressed sequence files (the ones used by speedgrade or the expensive lustre while premiere pro use finesse plugin) does the file size remain the same (as small as redcode) ? Is there a monitoring solution for speedgrade ? I did not find any on their website . At the end i'll be surprised to do postproduction without a professional grading tool .
 
Hopefully this is a simple question to answer.
If I record 4K Redcode at 24p to the eSata drive..
is the color space 4:4:4? Not asking if it's 10 or 12bit.
If not, which options give me 4:4:4 color space without resorting to RGB?

Thans for the diagram, it really helps.

Joe C.
 
zeke said:
Hopefully this is a simple question to answer.
If I record 4K Redcode at 24p to the eSata drive..
is the color space 4:4:4? Not asking if it's 10 or 12bit.
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It's bayer data. You can de-bayer (in Redcine) to a format that's nominally 4:4:4, but what the resolution of the color information (or of the image in general, for that matter) actually is... that's a fairly complex question.
 
Thanks Rob. That particular table is the root of several folks believing the windowed sensor worked at both Super 16m size and 2/3" size! My post was not about the ways 720p can be derived but about the size of the sensor when windowed. Because of your suggestion I started another thread about this issued and have not only got a solid answer but also info about adapting B4 lenses. Take a look.

Michael
Your diagram should be on the RED site. what a labor of love. We have all got a lot out of it. not only to wrap our own heads around a complex workflow with many options but also to have sensible questions in advance of actual experience.
 
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