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I just wanted to say once again that I'm most interested in a flash recording device for the red camera. I'm sure that the Red Drive will be able to handle a fair amount of shock, but I don't want to worry about skips and head crashes when I'm shooting an expensive setup. I don't mind having an extra person to swap and dump flash drives. I know that the Redflash is going to be made but I'm worried that it's not going to be ready by the time the camera ships. I understand that technologies are changing, but the same can be said of hard drives. We don't have any specs of the Redflash and we do of the Red Drive. What I'm asking is that the there be a choice of Red recording media when the camera ships.

Thanks.
 
to just speak in general, there are four types of flash drives out there in 32 Gb capacities. Sandisk just released theirs and they claim that they will have a 64 Gb dirve out later in the year. I think that getting a Reddrive should be quite doable. The price for the Sandisk solid state drive is around $600. hope that helps.
 
As I understand it, RedFlash is part of the Red body itself (comes with your core package) as an empty bay then you can buy the drive. So I believe that RedFlash is shipping at the same time.
 
I should also mention that most of these drives are in 1.8" laptop formfactor. One benefit for Red is that Microsoft has instituted the use of hybrid drives for 2007 and Windows Vista, which means in a few months there will be lots of Solid State Drives getting made.(hybrid drives are drives that have Flash memory and a platter to store data.):)
 
Akcelik - the catch to beware of is data rates for these things - don't forget, 4K@30p is about 35 MB/sec plus audio and metadata.
 
Remember data rates are not yet fixed in stone. Although we said 27MB/s for 4k 24p, that was back at IBC, and I've been working on codec improvements since then that either mean better quality at those rates, or lower rates and same quality. Or lower rates and better quality :-)
 
Graeme Nattress said:
Remember data rates are not yet fixed in stone. Although we said 27MB/s for 4k 24p, that was back at IBC, and I've been working on codec improvements since then that either mean better quality at those rates, or lower rates and same quality. Or lower rates and better quality :-)
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How about higher rates and even better quality if people want to? Or are you sufficiently confident on the law of diminishing returns that you don't think anyone would ever need to go any higher?

Nick
 
Well, we can look at that, but we're allready getting such good quality it's hard to see how it could be made usefully better, and higher data rates might not really given any added benefit to the image. Profiling data rates is something that we're still on with.

Graeme
 
I'm more interested in the possibilities of higher data rates for using REDCODE as an editing codec than in camera. Have you tested multi generation REDCODE RGB?

Nick
 
I was wondering if there was going to be an on-board Red Flash as well as the internal. I am having difficulty figuring out the workflow of the internal flash. I can easily swap an on-board, but as I heard said before, there will be some bolts involved in removing the internal. Could you guys clarify?
 
There is only one flash drive. It's a module on the side of the camera that you slot the flash memory in. That's what I call on-board.
 
Thanks for clearing that up Rob.
 
The camera comes with some flash memory built in does it not? I remember way back when it was meant to be 64GB yes?

This kind of makes it sound like the only flash memory will be the redflash that you plug into the camera, which would mean that without RedFlash or RedDrive it'd be impossible to record straight out of the box. Am I getting the wrong end of the stick?
 
PaulClements said:
The camera comes with some flash memory built in does it not? I remember way back when it was meant to be 64GB yes?

This kind of makes it sound like the only flash memory will be the redflash that you plug into the camera, which would mean that without RedFlash or RedDrive it'd be impossible to record straight out of the box. Am I getting the wrong end of the stick?
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It never came with "internal" memory. It was suggested it may come with a "64 GB" REDFLASH module. Don't know if Jim is still including that with the camera or not (I'm more on the tech side and not the business side).

So yes: REDFLASH that you plug into the "camera" (flash module really) only.
 
Thanks for the link Akcelik. The thing to remember about these new flash drives that are coming out are that they are designed to function as a harddrive right from the get go. If there was an enclosure that could support RAID there is no reason that you could not make a RAID drive of flash drives. Someone was asking for more bandwidth from the camera this would give it to you, but it would be a very expensive way to go. After all 1.8" drives are really small, that is why they are being replaced by Solid State Drives in the first place. Faster seek and write times and impervious to vibration and shocks and lower power consumption.:)
 
Couple of questions:

This codec is amazing. Incredible that it's even possible. Considering that, how come no one else is creating it? A codec that brings 4k down to 27mb/s with little, if any, loss in resolution??? Unheard of. I mean, the idea is such a leap from the norm that it just doesn't make sense to me that no one else would have ever tried it. Isn't DVCPRO-HD 17mb/s?

Regarding the flash drives: again, I'm confused and amazed at the same time how this is even possible. Panasonic has trouble making solid state memory cards over 8Gb that are stable enough to carry DVCPRO-HD... how come a company like that, with so many resources, can't even hold a CANDLE to RED?

I guess my question is, these are all technologies that either a. we wished were possible, or b. thought would only be possible some time in the future until RED came along. Why is that? I mean, all of the people who work at RED were obviously alive before they started working at RED. Is it simply the collection of all of them working together that has made this possible? Perhaps companies like Panasonic had these technologies before, or knew they were possible, but held them back to maximize their own profits???

Hopefully one day people other than camera nuts realize the magnitude of what the RED team is accomplishing.
 
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