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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Red One Pipeline Diagram v1.0

HDMI 1.3 (or 1.2) is not really relevant for RED. Basically there is no 1.3 equipment on the market at all (at this point in time).

cailyoung: yes, you should have a HD-SDI signal (I think there's some limits regarding frame rates, Stuart knows the exact specifics)

HDMI/DVI monitoring is also available
 
Optical port update

Optical port update

Optical port - delete 2K, that is extracted by cropping in post from a 1270p RAW recording. (1 - 120 fps)
 
thanks, rob...kinda thought it was a non issue with the RED...yea 1.3 looks to be in 07...anyone looking to throw down a chunk of $$ on a big plasma...i'd say wait
 
Rob Lohman said:
HDMI 1.3 (or 1.2) is not really relevant for RED. Basically there is no 1.3 equipment on the market at all (at this point in time).

cailyoung: yes, you should have a HD-SDI signal (I think there's some limits regarding frame rates, Stuart knows the exact specifics)

HDMI/DVI monitoring is also available
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HUH?? I am pretty sure Rob, that Play station 3 is HDMI 1.3 - and I am pretty sure APPLE is headed down that path as well ... but what do I know?
 
offhollywood said:
HUH?? I am pretty sure Rob, that Play station 3 is HDMI 1.3 - and I am pretty sure APPLE is headed down that path as well ... but what do I know?
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PS3 is NOT HDMI 1.3 compliant... And neither is the Sony BDP-S1 BluRay player. HDMI 1.3 was one of the rumored reasons for the Sony player's long delays, but alas it is not so...

Apple and most computer manufacturers will be shifting over to UDI. HDMI makes little sense (actually none, what so ever) in terms of computer displays. HDMI (even the latest v1.3 spec) is still based on DVI v1.1. HDMI uses a scaled-down connector to incorporate DVI 1.1 and 8-channel digital audio on a single cable. Silicon Image, the group primarily responsible for HDMI and producer of most of the HDMI chipsets on the market has really screwed up the standard. HDMI is a collection of standardized definitions for timings / bandwidth, color depths and resolutions to run over the HDMI interface - all of which are DVI compliant. However, HDMI chipsets from Silicon Image typically are fiendishly crippled versions of DVI chipsets, only supporting the specific modes demanded by the HDMI spec they're designed to. To further complicate matters, EIA/TIA861/862 modes for HDTV are mandated by the HDMI spec, but not necessarily supported by all DVI inputs. In most cases you can connect an HDMI output to a monitor with a DVI input by simply using a cable with the proper ends. Unfortunately it doesn't work the other way around as HDMI inputs tend to be rather crippled. Sorry I kinda went off on a tangen there, but my point is that HDMI is a consumer-oriented, scaled down version of DVI that rolls audio into the same cable. If we have a proper DVI implementation, we already have something better, even than HDMI 1.3 (less the audio).

HDMI is also single-link only and tops out at a max resolution of 2048x1536 - at 56Hz, but most devices are limited to 1920x1200 when at 60Hz. So dual-link (DVI-DL / TMDS) is needed to carry higher resolutions, such as the 2650x1600 of the 30" LCD monitors and other higher resolution displays. To go to QWUXGA or 3840x2400, 2 x DVI-DL is required and this starts to become cumbersome. This is where UDI comes in. UDI is superior to DVI to begin with and it cand drive higher resolutions on a single link or channel. UDI supports up to 8 channels in one connector.

The only place we will see HDMI is in displays that are also intended to be used as HDTV displays. It's a feature for consumer convenience, not a feature to be superior to what is already there. I half expect the next revision of iMac systems to have HDMI inputs so that in addition to a computer, they can be used as an HDTV or display for another system, this secondary interface will have the FrontRow interface and probably their upcoming "iTV" functionality that can access all the data on the computer as well as data on other systems accessible over the network.

We are already seeing HDMI connectors on some PC video card products like the new ATI All-In-Wonder card. Makes sense... It has one DVI-I connector and one HDMI connector. And why not, DVI video (not dual link) and digital audio on teh same card, may as well roll it into one connector.

OK, that was a long post... Anyway, HDMI is great for BluRay and HD-DVD players and other things to hook to my HDTV. But it's not what I want for my Mac Pro, unless I want to hook up my bigscreen TV as a secondary monitor. The HDMI 1.3 spec will be nice because it will finally allow full bandwidth for the HDMI/DVI interface, which means increased color depth. Not that it matters too much, most players do all their internal color processing anyway and the HDTVs already fall short of displaying colors available with HDMI 1.1/1.2.
 
AppliedVisual said:
PS3 is NOT HDMI 1.3 compliant... And neither is the Sony BDP-S1 BluRay player. HDMI 1.3 was one of the rumored reasons for the Sony player's long delays, but alas it is not so...
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Ooops, I need to correct myself.

Sony dis say PS3 would be HDMI 1.3 compliant. Current shipping versions are not, however they are firmware upgradeable to the 1.3 spec whenever Sony is ready. ...It will probably happen when they release their update to the internal BluRay player software, which is desperately needed.
 
Nice work Michael. I see some other discrepancies:

1) there is no Firewire 800/400 port on the camera

2) the USB port on the camera goes straight to a computer

3) eSATA only connects to RED-DRIVE & REDFLASH, not to your computer

4) RED-DRIVE will most likely have Firewire 800/400 & USB2
 
Rob,

Thanks for the fixes. I've updated the diagram as I understand it.

I wasn't clear whether the RED-FLASH would also have firewire and USB or only the RED-DRIVE at this point. (I've included it in this diagram.)

Michael

 
7 outputs

7 outputs

Nice work Michael, I hope we got it now.
To count, the camera has 7 outputs.
Dual HD-SDI, HDMI, RAW data port, USB2, e-SATA, SD card is in/out. 4 mini XLR are probably in. Am I wrong?

Pictures (Spike phase of the RED ONE)
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=49
 
Yes, the 4x XLR are in. The fifth is out. There is also a single HD-SDI port for I believe monitoring (versus capturing on dual HD-SDI). At least that's what I seem to remember. Stuart?

Also ports for viewfinder & LCD.
 
Rob Lohman said:
Yes, the 4x XLR are in. The fifth is out. There is also a single HD-SDI port for I believe monitoring (versus capturing on dual HD-SDI). At least that's what I seem to remember. Stuart?

Also ports for viewfinder & LCD.
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Altogether 11 ports out. 4 ports in.(?!)
 
Yes, these outputs should be live:

- EVF
- RED LCD
- HDMI
- HD-SDI monitor
- Dual-Link HD-SDI
 
Don't beat me up for this but just want to be sure, there is a head phone jack for the operator, right?
 
On any of the images here (http://red.com/photo-tour.htm) showing the right hand side of the camera, what appears to be a 3.5mm headphone jack can be seen at the top of the rear of the right hand side.
 
Evin Grant said:
But there will be Dual link HD-SDI for 4:4:4 yes?
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I would like to repeat and refine this question since it was not answered.
What can we get out of Dual-SDI Link?

Monitoring:
4Kp30
2Kp60
1080p60
720p120

Capturing:
4K ???
2K ???
1080p60 4:4:4
720p120 4:4:4

I presume the only difference between monitoring mode and capturing will be embeded time-code and genlock when capturing, is that correct?

Andrew
 
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