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Fanboys and Hecklers...

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Just kidding anyway Jim! Stephen on cinematography.com was always one of the most open, respectful and helpful people. He helped me in a big way when I bought my cine lenses. Also, if I become a skeptic can I come see Spike? Because if the answer is yes, then this whole project is just one big lie.....respectfully speaking.
 
Jarred Land said:
I will simply not tolerate any bashing.. if i find it, it will be deleted and the poster removed from the site. It is perfectly fine to debate, but those looking for trouble and posts that are fishing or trolling will just be canned. Jim has opened the doors to us all to take a peek inside and i simply wont allow anyone to tarnish his generosity.

This will become the policy here, and pretty much one of the only rules.. i hope that doesn't offend anyone.

Thanks everyone.
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With your permission Jarred, I'll repost a modification of a recent post I made on the DVX User RED forum in answer to a new user of that forum who felt the need to be a heckler and baiter:

"Good forum etiquette, especially when you first join a forum, calls for use of the search function to get up to speed on the issues that have been covered recently, and a measure of humility in approaching the existing forum members and the owner of the web site. To bait and troll existing members doesn't cut it even if you're a longtime member of the forum, much less when you have just joined. There's a mistaken notion that because forums are on the Internet that they are publicly property. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is private property. This is a RED web site, owned and operated by Jarred Land. Permission to enter is subject to the user rules that have been set, and is revocable at any time at the owner's discretion. Nobody has any "right" to use this web site, unless the owner grants him or her access.

Everyone using this web site has a decision to make: 1) Use the search tool, be respectful to the existing forum members, and have this forum be a good source of learning for you 2) Heckle, flame, harass, and bait, and potentially be removed from access to this forum and web site.

Constructive criticism and respectful dissent are absolutely encouraged by the forum member rules. Why else have a forum if we can't respectfully discuss and disagree. But baiting, trolling, and flaming are not allowed. Constructive learning ceases when those tactics enter the forum. This is an awesome forum, with a good cross-section of knowledgeable professionals, progressive intermediates, and curious novices. As a former moderator for the previous RED forum at DVX User, and someone who values everyone's opinions (even though I don't always agree with them), I'd like to see everyone stick around if they can play by the forum rules. If they can't or won't, then they may be banned.

We're all accountable for our choices. Using our free choice to break the forum rules will get us ejected, plain and simple, and we'll have nobody to blame but ourselves. Play by the rules and stay - break the rules and go.

It's patently ludicrous to categorize the conducting of progressive, respectful, constructive discussion on a forum as being fanboys.

Play by the house rules and stay - violate the rules of this RED house and "C-ya pal!"
 
well said Gibby.. well said. I just installed a new infraction system here as well, to give people a chance before getting completely banned, they get a warning so people can understand when they are crossing the lines.
 
Jim,

you are right in all what you were saying about the RED development and I would suggest to all to heartily join opinion and share all what you're said. As a customer or reservation holder I am strongly supportive to you and the RED team.

Happy New RED year.
 
Hi boys, glad to see you all made the trip safely - I'm a bit late myself. (oh, and thanks for the new home Jarred).

Back to the topic of this thread, I am often confused to read (misguided) comments that RED has an "aggressive" or "bombastic" marketing strategy. Anyone who has read the cordial, open and professional posts by Jim, Graeme, Rob, Stuart or Ted knows how ridiculous this is, and so I can only assume that much of the blame for the "bombastic reputation" comes directly from RED's biggest fans, who are often less than civilized when dispensing with heathen outsiders.

But like it or not, people will post on this forum with silly questions, misguided information, and skeptical biases. While it may be frustrating to read such posts, perhaps we should all count to ten before disemboweling them. Not all of these people are true adversaries and their opinions of RED may not yet be fully formed. But their skin will solidify pretty damn fast when they are being assailed from all sides.

Take a lesson from Herman Goering (or was it Bush?) - nothing unites a community faster than attacking them (I paraphrase). Do you really wish to unite any group against RED?

I think we all owe it to the RED team to act as good ambassadors for their cause. This is even more critical as Reduser.net becomes the hub for all things RED. As we get closer to the first release, I'm sure that more and more folks will drop by this forum, including some top DPs, directors, producers, etc. Let's save Jim, Greame, Rob et all some time by answering questions efficiently and professionally, by not dragging on pointless arguments, and by not being suckers for obvious baiters.

Well that's my two cents - I just wanted to make my first reduser post. Happy New Year all! :)
 
OK. I'll behave. :)
 
Hey, being a junior member again should suck, but I feel young again. :)
 
Guys - you may have missed the Nigel threads earlier on in the day.
It was hard to tell whether he was full-on trolling - but no matter they're/he's gone. Likely he was, with some of his comebacks.
There was a whole string of really funny responses (humorous) that I thought galvanised the vibe here.

The Red community doesn't have time for negative comments, nor does it have to justify itself to anybody - Jim and the guys are too busy delivering a revolutionary product to market.
And man, I wish one was coming my way ...
 
robbo said:
Original message from: RedUser.net
You have been banned for the following reason: Ill-informed and unresearched attacks. Congratulations.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
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They sent you that, sent Nigel that or did you make it up?
 
Nah - I made it up !
Not my call.

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Came in part from another board I frequent - heavy ? Yes.
Keeps the trolls in-line tho' ...

Feel a bit stupid for putting it up there - apologies.
oh well, Happy New Year.
 
Oh, don't apologize, I thought it was funny. I'm not easily offended. Anyways, happy new year.
 
Cheers Matt.
In the grips of, umm -
"over enthusiasm" - for the want of a better description ...
 
This is a professional forum. Let's be professionals about it.

After picking ourselves up off the floor on the morning of Jan 1 tho. :)
 
Kudos

Kudos

I'm not sure where to post this (this seems as good a place as any) but I just wanted to stop in and voice my support and admiration for everything that the RED team is doing. My background is in commercial still photography and I have been making the transition over to the motion universe in the last year or so.
I have been lurking on a few forums over the last few weeks and I have to say that I am amazed at the resistance and down right meanness of so many regarding the launch of this camera. Frankly, I just don't get it. Why wouldn't anyone (except competitors) want something like this to succeed? It can only benefit the state of movie making.
The things that gave me the willingness to put down my reservation money and have confidence in this teams integrity and ability were as follows:

1. Jim's experience and resources used in building Oakley.

2. Graeme Nattress's involvement. (this is not to downplay anyone else on the team. It is just that I have used his products and seen his knowledge at work in this technology. I have a great deal of respect for his abilities and knowledge)

3. Jim's personal skill in shooting his own photography (this may seem kind of a small thing but it impressed me that he has a personal interest and talent in shooting and producing his own work...just for his own interest.)

4. The Cool Factor. In other words Jim's understanding of the importance of good design.

These reasons have given me the belief that this has a great shot at succeeding and I for one want to support your efforts in anyway that I can.

I have been learning a lot from this community as I read your posts and I look forward to learning more in this new year.

So thanks, and Happy New Year!
 
Welcome, Gregory! Looking forward to benefitting from your input too.
 
I think there is another group that could be added to the list: "Critical supporters". I use critical in its true meaning of analysis and comment, it doesn't imply negativity. A critical supporter is a Red advocate who keeps an open mind and doesn't assume the worst (like a Red skeptic) or assume the best (like a Red head). Maybe the alternative reading of the term Critical supporter, that is: a type of supporter who is essential, is also apt, because I think that critical supporters tend to offer particularly useful feedback. Sometimes that feedback will be positive, sometimes negative (never unfairly though) but it can always been used constructively if it is taken in the spirit with which it was given. I find I spend a lot of time spreading the word amongst non-believers and I like to think that having a critical position, seeing the flaws as well as the strengths, gives my arguments of support some weight.

Having said that I can also appreciate the role of Red-Head: They keep the team encouraged and help make the project seem worthwhile on a daily basis; they soften any bad news or setbacks; they keep the forum fun. The Respectful skeptics also serve a very useful role tending to make the team push the envelope and to avoid complacency.

The key here is the correct balance between uncritical support, critical support and skepticism. The Red forum on DVXuser seems to me to have got it about right so far and I trust that 2007 will see the Reduser forum develop with the same kind of approach.

Happy New Year to all. Have a great 2007

Martin
 
The whole idea of the Red developers deciding to have an open door policy as it were, I guess is primarily to get constructive and useful feedback and/or criticism. They need this to help form and develop a product that's aimed at a certain target market. But this is where it ends, basically.

If you post inciting, unresearched and quite frankly, sometimes downright idiotic comments and assumptions based on rumours and innuedndos, then what is the purpose of that? This is what I fail to see.

You're either being educated, educating the forum or seeking answers to questions that will benefit the forum; anything outside of this and the usual joke or two, is and should be banned from this site, which for all purposes is strictly for Red and their community of believers and enthusiasts.
 
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