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Red One Pipeline Diagram v1.0

Michael Morlan

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Okay,

Here's my first attempt at diagramming the Red One pipeline.

edit: 3/13/2007 - This diagram has been updated many times over the course of this thread. Be sure to read deeper to see the latest version.

Red_One_Pipeline_v01.gif


I'm sure there are errors and omissions. Help me out.

This diagram will evolve into a page with links to deeper descriptions and gear choices.

M
 
First off, thanks for the effort. As far as I know there is a HDMI output as well that will allow monitoring without the expense of HD-SDI boards. In fact there has even been some movement, mostly at the prosumer level so far to do more with HDMI - to some degree as an alternative to Firewire. It remains to be seen what the possibilities are with HDMI v1.3 but it could turn out to be a low cost alternative to HD-SDI with greater bandwidth than Firewire 800.

I am also looking for confirmation concerning whether the RedDrive can copy to a dumb device like an external SATA drive or if it needs a computer in the path. I have assumed that a laptop with a couple of eSATA ports sprouting out of a card slot (Express/34 on the newer Mac laptops) or at least dual Firewire 800 would be needed for reasonable transfer speeds. Maybe the new Macs that we all expect to be announced at MWSF will have SATA taps standard. Perhaps SATA in from the RedDrive and FW800 out to an external storage drive?

Anyone know the max throughput for single channel SATA vs Firewire 800?

Is FW800 connection an announced feature of the RedDrive? I have been assuming SATA only but please, please correct me if you can.
 
HDMI to DVI is possible as well (with a simple cable)

As it stands now the drive will indeed have Firewire 400/800, USB2 & some type of SATA connector.
 
Thanks Michael. this will come in very handy once the elements are locked down. Good stuff.
 
I honestly don't know!
 
Blackmagic has the new intensity card which is around $200. It allows for uncompressed HDMI i/o. With multiple cards and the included software you can do live multicamera video switching and transitions.

For under $1000 they have a card with the HDMI plus analog component i/o. (wonder if it transcodes?)

I'm not sure who has a use for this but just letting you know that it's out there.
 
Thanks for the feedback.

I'll add the SD down-convert path.

I'll add the HDMI port and associated connections.

What is the nature of the "RAW data port?" I just pulled that off the specs.

M
 
Okay,

Here's verison 2:

edit: 3/13/2007 - This diagram has been updated many times over the course of this thread. Be sure to read deeper to see the latest version.

Red_One_Workflow_v02.gif
 
Looks great, Michael. The flow may be a little ambiguous from the HD-SDI and HDMI outputs. It may appear that you can go anywhere (i.e., does your flowchart software do those loop-jumpy crosses?).

This is the clearest expression I've seen to date of the various options. Good job.
 
Doh! That's simply an error. Contemporary circuit diagram convention is the use of a small dot over connected intersections rather than loops over non-connections. If a line terminates at another line, it is obviously connected, if it crosses without a dot, then not.

I suppose I should also note the possible dual HD-SDI connection from camera to PC/Mac.

edit: 3/13/2007 - This diagram is dynamically updated each time I make changes to the source file. It does not represent the state of the diagram at the original time of this post.

 
That's very nice, Michael.

tks for your hard work.
Clears up some stuff for me that has flown over the top when reading the threads.

cheers, r
 
Thanks Michael. Nice to see this in a flow chart.

A general question... If RED-DRIVE and RED-FLASH acquire the same formats what is the advantage of RED-FLASH? I guess flash would be more durable and absolutly silent is there any other advantages?
 
Steve Tammi said:
Thanks Michael. Nice to see this in a flow chart.

A general question... If RED-DRIVE and RED-FLASH acquire the same formats what is the advantage of RED-FLASH? I guess flash would be more durable and absolutly silent is there any other advantages?
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Hi Steve,

Weight (possibly balance-think steadicam, cammate), being able to use the RED in it's most compact form for tight handheld work. Use flash during times when vibration may be a problem , ie---most helicopters (no Tyler mount, etc. here still talking handheld), boats, baja racing and the list goes way on...

Hope all is well in Memphis.

Cheers Steve,

Andrew

ps. Michael, thank you for the flow chart. I always enjoy your articles and the other resources that you provide on the web.
 
Steve Tammi said:
If RED-DRIVE and RED-FLASH acquire the same formats what is the advantage of RED-FLASH?
Click to expand...

As Andrew notes, solid-state parts, camera can work in a bit rougher shot.

Andrew, not sure the RED-FLASH is inboard anymore. The two slots in the early RED One designs have gone away, it would appear.

I'll continue updating the diagram on my site at;
http://austinfilmtools.com/pages/gear_red_one/red_one_workflow.htm

That page will be enhanced with links to key pieces of gear that satisfy each of the diagram blocks and paths.

Enjoy,

M
 
Michael Morlan said:
Andrew, not sure the RED-FLASH is inboard anymore. The two slots in the early RED One designs have gone away, it would appear.
M
Click to expand...

Nice point, I have been wondering about that myself. However, the many mountable hard points (are they still there hard to tell..*edit-ok there are a few- just looked) on the camera (sans cage)should still allow for the most compact form factor when its motivated by needs. If not there is still the top handle and the flat spine it provides on the top of the camera.
 
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