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Youtube Red 4k footage

4K Content Competition

4K Content Competition

Wow! ... what a beautiful and stunning piece of work .. just watched it on our UHDTV ... kudos to the filmmakers for their determination and grit to shoot it and post it.

We're starting a 4K Content Competition on July 1st ... entries have to be under 4 minutes duration ... this is exactly the kind of stunning 4K work we're looking for ... will need the shorter version :-)

http://www.4kcompetition.com

It's amazing how far 4K has come in eight years.

Neil
 
If only timewarner cable would stop throttling youtube/vimeo I would really enjoyed it. Can't even buffer with a 50mbps line
 
Jett He said:
If only timewarner cable would stop throttling youtube/vimeo I would really enjoyed it. Can't even buffer with a 50mbps line
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Is THAT what's happening??? I just moved into a TWC area and my youtube and vimeo experience has been sucking hard. Anytime I force HD quality the videos freeze up.
 
I see that in the 'competition' release form, the submitters are basically signing away the rights to their work to allow you to sell it to whatever party for advertising media, etc, and even allows your entity to chop out parts of the submission to use however or whatever.

Do most competitions do this ?
Just wondering.


Neil W. Smith said:
We're starting a 4K Content Competition on July 1st ... entries have to be under 4 minutes duration ... this is exactly the kind of stunning 4K work we're looking for ... will need the shorter version :-)

http://www.4kcompetition.com

It's amazing how far 4K has come in eight years.

Neil
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Les Dittert said:
I see that in the 'competition' release form, the submitters are basically signing away the rights to their work to allow you to sell it to whatever party for advertising media, etc, and even allows your entity to chop out parts of the submission to use however or whatever.

Do most competitions do this ?
Just wondering.
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Good question and I don't know the answer to tell the truth - I've never entered actually entered a video competition even though we've been working with 4K footage for eight years now. What I do know is that we won't be selling any of the submission content to anyone but we will be using it for demo purposes for up up to a year after the closing date of the competition to help spread the message around the power of 4K content. We see the 4K Competition as a showcase for aspiring videographers who have access to anything from a GoPro HERO3: Black Edition to a RED DRAGON who have a cool visual idea they want to share with the rest of the world. If you can shoot it in 4K and keep it under 4 minutes and make it as entertaining as hell, it could end up being watched by thousands.

We'll give full credit to the filmmakers of any video we end up using in the demo reel. All submissions will be up on the YouTube 4K Competition Channel for everyone to see and there'll be a 'most viewed category' prize winner as well as the three judged categories.

Be interested in other people's experience of entering video competitions.

Neil
 
Neil W. Smith said:
Good question and I don't know the answer to tell the truth - I've never entered actually entered a video competition even though we've been working with 4K footage for eight years now. What I do know is that we won't be selling any of the submission content to anyone but we will be using it for demo purposes for up up to a year after the closing date of the competition....

Neil
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Really? You don't know your own festival rules and what rights you're asking for?

Just about every film festival asks for the right to use clips from submitted films in promotional pieces to promote the festival - but no other uses. You're saying anyone who submits a film is agreeing to transfer all rights in their film to your company. It says right on your website.

From the "Rules and Regulations" page, in the "Full Rules" PDF:
"b. Entrant hereby assigns, transfers, and conveys all rights, title, and interest in entrant's Entry(ies) to the Sponsor."

And on the "Submission Process" page in the "Personal Release Form" PDF:
"With respect to the submitted video described above (hereinafter the "video"),I hereby grant to LumaForge LLC (hereinafter "LumaForge"), its affiliates and licensees, and to the videographer of the video, the following worldwide, irrevocable rights: (1)to copyright the video in the name of LumaForge or in the name of the videographer; and....."
 
Greg McDonald said:
Really? You don't know your own festival rules and what rights you're asking for?

Just about every film festival asks for the right to use clips from submitted films in promotional pieces to promote the festival - but no other uses. You're saying anyone who submits a film is agreeing to transfer all rights in their film to your company. It says right on your website.

From the "Rules and Regulations" page, in the "Full Rules" PDF:
"b. Entrant hereby assigns, transfers, and conveys all rights, title, and interest in entrant's Entry(ies) to the Sponsor."

And on the "Submission Process" page in the "Personal Release Form" PDF:
"With respect to the submitted video described above (hereinafter the "video"),I hereby grant to LumaForge LLC (hereinafter "LumaForge"), its affiliates and licensees, and to the videographer of the video, the following worldwide, irrevocable rights: (1)to copyright the video in the name of LumaForge or in the name of the videographer; and....."
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The original question from Les was about 'other competitions' ... my answer was about not knowing what 'other competitions' do - I've never entered one. I'm fully aware of the Rules & Regulations of the 4K Content Competition and why they were written that way ... they were specifically designed for the competition needs not for some generic 'film festival'.

And by the way, the 4K Content Competition is not a film festival - the last thing we want is another film festival ... it's an online 4K Content Competition specifically designed to showcase some awesome examples of 4K shot content that we can then show on UHDTVs at places like Trade Shows, Conferences and Exhibitions. We'll be compiling a '4K Showcase' reel and all filmmakers will be given full credit for their work. Filmmakers will enter the competition knowing full well that their work will be used for demonstration purposes if they get through to the final ten shortlist.

There's already a ton of videos up on YouTube that people watch all the time for free and YouTube already has a 4K option (original resolution) for viewing UHDTV material at 3840 x 2160 resolution .... GoPro has a great demo reel of action and sports footage shot on their cameras - most of it in HD but the HERO3: Black Edition is capable of recording 3840x2160 at 15 fps. Most people like the idea of their work being seen by other people and the chance to win a prize in the process as well as being recognized by their peers.

As I said, this is most emphatically not a film festival ... this is an opportunity to have a short 4K/UHDTV movie watched by other people interested in seeing how the UHDTV market is going to evolve over the next year. Is 4K in the home going to be the new 3D or is it going to take off? ... UHDTVs need content ... 4K content needs UHDTVs in the home .... HEVC and VP9 are about to revolutionize the delivery of 4K content into the home through OTT service providers ... this is a great time to be shooting 4K content. All we need now is way to bring content creators and consumers together in the most cost-effective way. The 4K Content Competition is one of many attempts to help bridge that gap.

Neil
 
I stand corrected on the terminology, it's not a film festival it's a "competition".

Doesn't change the fact that any submitters to your "competition" lose all rights in their own films and that all rights, title and interest gets transferred over to your company.
 
There does not seem to be a group viewing of the entries or winners either.
So it's a great business idea.
People who worked hard on their media PAY to send it in.
Then they cut out parts they like and sell it to TV manufacturers of whatever.
Or maybe even resubmit a newly edited piece into another competition.

It's a race to the bottom.
I think I already know who the winner is.
 
4K Content Competition

4K Content Competition

Les Dittert said:
There does not seem to be a group viewing of the entries or winners either.
So it's a great business idea.
People who worked hard on their media PAY to send it in.
Then they cut out parts they like and sell it to TV manufacturers of whatever.
Or maybe even resubmit a newly edited piece into another competition.

It's a race to the bottom.
I think I already know who the winner is.
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Not sure where you're getting your information from, Les ... each submitted video will be up on the filmmaker's own personal YouTube Channel first and then linked to the playlists on the 4K Competition YouTube Channel ... every man and his dog will be able to watch every video:

http://www.youtube.com/user/4Kcompetition

There's even a prize for the video that gets the most YouTube views as well as the three judged prizes for Best 4K Music Video, Best 4K Sports & Action and Best 4K Narrative or Documentary ... it's all there in black and white on the 4K Competition website:

http://www.4kcompetition.com/index.html

Also, I'm not sure I get your comment about ... "it's a race to the bottom" ... all the video submissions have to be four minutes or less in running time ... there's never been much of a commercial market for shorts let alone four minute shorts (apart from MVs and we all know how that ended up) ... people generally produce a short as a 'calling card' for their longer work or to highlight their skills as a Director or DP, not as an financial endeavor in itself.

The 4K Competition is specifically designed to let filmmakers with access to a 4K camera (3840 x 2160 or greater resolution) show off their particular talents in one of the most challenging art forms devised, i.e., the short film. If you can tell a visually compelling story in four minutes or less you will get a lot of notice. I specifically chose YouTube as the common viewing ground precisely because it's the largest video repository on the planet (and growing larger by the minute) with millions of viewers world-wide.

Google (who owns YouTube) is also developing a very efficient compression codec that offers substantial quality and bandwidth improvements over current H.264 algorithms ... Google's VP9 codec as well as the ITU HEVC/H.265 standard are going to enable the delivery of 4K content into the home in a cost-effective manner ... all to be viewed on the new wave of UHDTVs that are coming to market this summer.

We happen to think that SEIKI offers the best price-performance of all the 4K TV vendors which is why they are co-sponsoring the competition with us ... but the other TV manufacturers are all rushing to market with alternative (albeit expensive) offerings. Even Intel wants to get into the OTT set-top box game.

This is a tremendous time to be a 4K content creator and anyone who has access to a RED camera already has a serious competitive advantage ... RED has been leading the 4K charge for the last eight years and now the rest of the world is ready to embrace Jim's vision ... the 4K Content Competition is about providing a showcase for 4K filmmakers to prove how easy and cost-efective 4K into the home is becoming.

As I said earlier, the 4K Content Competition is not a 'film festival' - it's a competition to find 10 cool 4K videos to show at Trade Shows, Conferences and Expos to highlight the beauty of UHDTV ... we need to own the rights upfront so we can show the 'Showcase Reel' anytime, anywhere over the following 12 months without having to worry about copyright issues. Every contestant going into the competition is aware of that upfront and all the final 10 shortlisted filmmakers will be given full credit on the demo reel and the PR surrounding it.

If you're concerned about the integrity of your art and the possible lost opportunity to make money from a 4 minute short then you're probably better off submitting to a traditional film festival like Sundance ... they have a very robust shorts competition ... and you will certainly make a ton of money if you get into the Sundance Shorts competition.

Neil
 
OK, good, I look forward to see the YouTube videos. It wasn't clear from your web page that they would be visible there.
What exactly is motivation on your part for the submitter to relinquish their rights to the video ?
I'm all for showing great UHD videos, I am rather fanatical about maintaining genuine UHD resolution myself.
Why not let them submit and keep some rights to the footage. eg: Footage sources to be always credited, rights for commercial usage other than your entity directly showing could be still assigned to the creator? Right ?
For example, you show at a trade show, and Samsung wants the footage for their TV advert program. Who gets the money, which sometimes can be $50K or more?
None goes back to the creator, right ?
 
Les Dittert said:
OK, good, I look forward to see the YouTube videos. It wasn't clear from your web page that they would be visible there.
What exactly is motivation on your part for the submitter to relinquish their rights to the video ?
I'm all for showing great UHD videos, I am rather fanatical about maintaining genuine UHD resolution myself.
Why not let them submit and keep some rights to the footage. eg: Footage sources to be always credited, rights for commercial usage other than your entity directly showing could be still assigned to the creator? Right ?
For example, you show at a trade show, and Samsung wants the footage for their TV advert program. Who gets the money, which sometimes can be $50K or more?
None goes back to the creator, right ?
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Intriguing idea, Les ... wasn't actually considering selling any of the video content to anyone else ... just using it for our own demo purposes (it's really hard getting good demo material without having to spend an inordinate amount of unproductive time negotiating rights and clearances) .... but what if we were to set up some kind of '4K content collective' and profit sharing scheme with the content submitters whereby if some other company did want to buy one of the videos (or a bundle of videos) we'd split any sale 50/50 less expenses?

Have never considered going into the content brokerage or aggregation business but it might be something to consider ... the challenge will be to keep what ever arrangements we come up with as 'lean and mean' as possible .... keep it very simple and straightforward without involving lawyers ... keep the accounting very transparent so everyone knows exactly who paid what for what and have some efficient means of distributing whatever profits accrue back to the content creators.

Sounds like a good idea and something that would benefit all involved if we can devise an easy way to manage the business model ... if you have any experience of a working business model or suggestions let me know.

I'll also talk it over with the lawyers in the morning :-( ... already that idea is making me feel uneasy ... I'm sure they'll have a hundred reason why a '4K content collective' couldn't work.

Also, where did you get the $50k figure from? .... did you just pluck it out of thin air or is it based on a real example? ... it seems somewhat optimistic to me. Have you ever tried to actually sell one of your videos to a large corporation?

Neil.

P.S. Just added a question on the Registration Page asking if submitters are looking for a Sales Agent for their content. It'll be interesting to see how many people are interested in the sales side or whether they are just in it for the glory of having their work viewed by thousands.
 
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