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Red Station 1.8

Daniel Meador

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Really hoping for Red Station 1.8 to adopt........................ Inputs for USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt. Really needed in my opinion. Thunderbolt would be fantastic for my new Macbook Pro that I take to location shoots. 10 Gbs/s !! And USB 3.0 option for windows. 5 Gbs/s. Did Red announce anything like that at NAB? All the other input choices are getting long in the tooth.
 
The red mini-mag reader is coming with eSATA, USB3, and FW800, but the normal mini red mag reader still only has FW800 and either USB3 or eSATA. My guess would be red will update the min red mag reader to match the red mini-mag reader to have all 3 ports instead of only 2/3. The non Turbo red ssd cards can only run around 200 MB/s anyway, which is well below the cap of eSATA and USB3.
Red Mini-Mag Reader
http://www.red.com/store/products/red-station-mini-mag-reader
Mini Red Mag Reader
http://www.red.com/store/products/red-station-redmag-18-mini
It would be rather annoying for older Macbook Pro users if the red reader had a single TB port with no throughput/daisychain option to also run another red reader or TB hard drive.
 
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it also depends on your "local" hardware/interfaces and not only on the reader/camera media... A single slow spinning 2.5 hdd at a 1.5 SATA1 Interface can be a big bottleneck even if your reader "theoretically" is connected via USB 3.0 or eSATA... Best practice for high speeds is going with faster/newer interfaces and with SSD drives or RAID's for speed and/or security!
 
Personally, I've been rooting for the death of eSATA since day one. It was an interface that was never meant to be. Hopefully USB3 and TB can kill it soon enough.
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
Personally, I've been rooting for the death of eSATA since day one. It was an interface that was never meant to be. Hopefully USB3 and TB can kill it soon enough.
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why's that? esata has always given me the most stable consistant speed results. while usb 3 has never reached it's theoretical speeds. the max i could ever get off usb 3.0 was just a little over 200 mb/sec. while I can get over 500 mb/sec with 6g esata. my simple test was simply hooking up a samsung 840 ssd to a usb 3 dock and a 6g esata dock. and ran a disk benchmark. while usb 3 is convenient for power a 1.8 or 2.5 inch drive over a single cable, i always found the speeds lacking.

however usb 3 should be refreshed by next year so it should hopefully hit bigger and better potential. but that also means a complete refresh in hardware which kind of bites. 6g esata can be as simple as a atto h680 in a owc thunderbolt pci expander. you can connect up to 8 esata devices. if you are using a simple 2 port or 4 port esata card, that might be the main reason why you've had such bad experience with it. they tend to be flaky overheat easily, and the cable system does kind of blow.

lastly, it's been covered before but there's really little to no point at the moment to have thunderbolt red mag readers. the current rated speed up to the 256 gb cards are MAX 230 mb/sec read. you gain pretty much nothing over esata, haven't tried the 512's yet and i'm sure terabyte mags are coming down the pipeline. I've also had a bad time with current gen thunderbolt hard drive readers. the one that's packaged with pix240 or gemini (seagate) are kind of crappy. sometimes the hot swapping of drives works, most of the time i need to reboot to get it to recognize the next mag. the tech has a lot longer to go before it reaches full potential.
 
I started this post not realizing that Red alreadyis making a Red Station 1.8 with 3.0. Ordered 2 days ago. 3G/s. Unless Red begins making faster SSDs thats as fast as you need and then some. All is good!
 
Tom.Wong said:
why's that? esata has always given me the most stable consistant speed results. while usb 3 has never reached it's theoretical speeds. the max i could ever get off usb 3.0 was just a little over 200 mb/sec. while I can get over 500 mb/sec with 6g esata. my simple test was simply hooking up a samsung 840 ssd to a usb 3 dock and a 6g esata dock. and ran a disk benchmark. while usb 3 is convenient for power a 1.8 or 2.5 inch drive over a single cable, i always found the speeds lacking.
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It's because the USB3 bridge used in that usb3 dock is an older generation one...newer one get up to 400MB/sec...
 
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