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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Bad news guys. Re: fps in build 4

I can't argue one bit with what people "want." That's human nature. No problem there. But there are so many here who not only "want" higher frame rates, they also seem to be expecting them - seemingly because of groundless conjecturing from others, which tends to turn into a feeling that RED promised them. (Which they never did.) I would also love 24 fps at 5K on Scarlet; who would object? But there are reasons that this does not seem to be possible and it isn't because RED has some insidious plot to throttle the performance of Scarlet to protect Epic.

What RED ONE was capable of and what Scarlet can do really have little to do with each other. Other than sharing the MX sensor, they are completely different cameras. Don't forget, they operate from completely different sets of software.
 
Josh Snyder said:
Lets face it, all serious photographers use DSLR for stills and timelapse. Even most not so serious photographers here seem to have DSLR for still work. DSLR's are way better for still photography.

Stills with EPIC is as gimmick as video with DSLR's.
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Yeah - Jarred, Jim, Ketch Rossi, etc, etc, etc are not to be considered "serious photographers." (I think you just insulted a lot of people here. LOL)
 
Steven Chill said:
I didn't buy camera for still - Sorry. Cinema camera
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No, but it seems you bought the camera *expecting* it to get 5k at speed (24-25fps) one day soon, when RED has never claimed that to even be a possibility. Not even with Dragon actually, since those details have yet to be revealed. And to be fair it's actually branded as a DSMC - Digital Stills and Motion Camera - on top of RED being primarily a Digital Cinema company (which includes more than just cameras).

Where did this "1st/2nd" gen ASIC fud come from? Did anyone from RED actually say that's what they're doing or is it just more assumption thrown on top of backyard camera engineering?

I'd love 4.5k WS (or 5k WS or ANA) at 24fps... and while I think 4.5k should be possible (since it's the same 8.85mp per frame as 4k) as far as I'm aware no one at RED has ever claimed (or even suggested) that Scarlet will ever get 4.5k+, ANA modes, or even WS modes aside from 1k, so I'm not *expecting* anything... With the recent nullifying of R1mx and new 4k raw competition, I was *hoping* RED would try to implement any/all of those resolutions/modes for Scarlet to remain at the top of the pile, but again, they never stated anything.
 
To me, the only thing missing on the Scarlet is not being able to shoot HDRx at 4K/24fps. Even at 4K WS would be perfect. Not sure if that's been cogitated or not (or even if it's technically possible) but that'd be fantastic. Apart from that, I'm very pleased with the camera so far.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Yeah - Jarred, Jim, Ketch Rossi, etc, etc, etc are not to be considered "serious photographers." (I think you just insulted a lot of people here. LOL)
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I'm sure some pro's use EPIC for stills just like some pro's use DSLR's for video/cinema. That doesn't mean it isn't gimmick at this state. I mean it's no brainer that Jim and Jarred uses their camera for stills. It would be pretty bad business to not to.

DSLR's are better for stills no matter how you look at it. Only thing that's better in EPIC is that you can get faster fps, but that's the case with all video/cinema cameras vs DSLR's.
 
I wouldn't even have commented if you would have written "5K 12fps is useless for me ".

I do fashion and some sports, and it's not useless – for me.
 
Josh - the context of this was that there was a suggestion that 5K at 12 fps was "useless." A lot of folks would disagree. It is useful/desirable for a lot of us and, while I also have a Canon 60D, I find the Scarlet 5K useful and am looking forward to even more advanced capability in the new build.

You seem to enjoy hyperbole and making statements as if they were universal facts, when in actuality, they are just your own opinion. Everyone is welcome to their opinions, of course. But when bad information is spread because of incorrect or unsubstantiated "facts" such as some of yours, it can lead to a poor understanding of what is real and what is not.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Josh - the context of this was that there was a suggestion that 5K at 12 fps was "useless." A lot of folks would disagree. It is useful/desirable for a lot of us and, while I also have a Canon 60D, I find the Scarlet 5K useful and am looking forward to even more advanced capability in the new build.

You seem to enjoy hyperbole and making statements as if they were universal facts, when in actuality, they are just your own opinion. Everyone is welcome to their opinions, of course. But when bad information is spread because of incorrect or unsubstantiated "facts" such as some of yours, it can lead to a poor understanding of what is real and what is not.
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It is useful of course just like video in DSLR's is very useful, but the fact remains that DSLR's are better for stills no matter how you look at it.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Haha - Thanks for making my point about facts vs. opinions.
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If we go there then we can say that DSLR's are better for video/cinema. If you don't agree, it's just your opinion.
 
5k is very useful and not only for stills. I've used it for shots with no motion where I wanted the extra resolution and many times for 1fps timelapse. Now with the new timelapse functionality it's extremely useful.

Josh Snyder said:
I'm sure some pro's use EPIC for stills just like some pro's use DSLR's for video/cinema. That doesn't mean it isn't gimmick at this state. I mean it's no brainer that Jim and Jarred uses their camera for stills. It would be pretty bad business to not to.

DSLR's are better for stills no matter how you look at it. Only thing that's better in EPIC is that you can get faster fps, but that's the case with all video/cinema cameras vs DSLR's.
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I know you don't own a RED camera, but have you ever even used one?

I wish there was some kind of "owner badge" on this forum so people could see if the post they are reading was written by someone who owns a RED. It would really help to not confuse potential buyers with bad information.
 
Josh Snyder said:
If we go there then we can say that DSLR's are better for video/cinema. If you don't agree, it's just your opinion.
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Yes - you can state that as your opinion; and other's can judge your knowledge by that. As for me, my opinion is, in that regard, you haven't a clue. LOL
 
I'll take the 13.5 stops of the scarlet in 5k mode for timelapse over my DSLR any day... though my DSLR is entry level so not much of a comparison(t2i). long exposure will be interesting to test out in comparison, and now as they move towards a stills mode who knows I may start using it for stills as well... an r90 would be nice though.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Yes - you can state that as your opinion; and other's can judge your knowledge by that. As for me, my opinion is, in that regard, you haven't a clue. LOL
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I rather take better image, faster and easier workflow, better handling, lighter weight, better autofocus, better battery runtime, better lighting options and so on vs faster fps.
 
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Josh Snyder said:
I rather take better image, faster and easier workflow, better handling, lighter weight, better autofocus, better battery runtime, better lighting options and so on vs faster fps.
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You are suggesting all this for DSLR video/cinema? You really have lost me altogether. :huh:
 
No. Stills.
 
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