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Focusing Canon 150-600FD lens with RED 7" Touchscreen vs. RED Oled EVF

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Focusing Canon 150-600FD lens with RED 7" Touchscreen vs. RED Oled EVF

To all the REDUSER folks who helped me recently make decisions regarding how to focus my Canon 150-600 lens in bright light, thanks. Here’s what I found out. Being over 45, I wear the El Cheapo Costco 1.25 reading glasses for reading and anything less than arms length. Had Lasik eye surgery but it ain’t perfect so Costco glasses are scattered all over my house, car, etc. I used to have 20/10 vision in my focusing eye and now the eye doctor says it’s 20/20 but it isn’t like I’m 18 any more. When looking at the 7” touchscreen, I need glasses to focus it. In bright daylight it’s impossible to accurately see what I’m doing. So, I bought a Cinema Oxide Carbonite scope and the 7” RED touch screen and it works really well. The scope has a diopter adjustment built into it and when I need to touch the screen I can flip it up, easy to do. I also bought the RED Oled EVF and tried that out as well. I found that the larger image on the 7’ touchscreen worked better for me. My true opinion, I’m not paid by Cinema Oxide, I paid retail for my scope.

Yesterday I did my first ‘real’ shoot with the Epic and my new rig in Portugal shooting big wave towsurfing. I had enough light to shoot at 5k at roughly 100 fps. Set the shutter to 1/800 and 1/1000 during the partly sunny day and the Canon 150-600 at f11. Had the lens at about 600mm all day but didn’t need any 1.4 or 2x extenders this time. Used the ‘focus’ setting on the touchscreen which seemed to help with what looked like slightly increased contrast. So, I had a red square in the center of the screen which I was hoping would change color to yellow or green when I was in focus. Well, it rarely did that, like maybe 1% of the time.
I don’t know if that’s because I wasn’t using an autofocus Canon lens or what, but it just didn’t confirm focus by changing color. But, when I downloaded about 2 hours of footage last night in my hotel room and looked at it on my 13” Macbook, I was very happy to see that 99% of my shots were tack sharp. Okay, I’ve been using manual focus long lenses since the early 1970’s and do practice a lot but that Touchscreen/Carbonite scope combo really really made it work for me.
Here’s two screencaps I made for the surfer and one of me using the rig.
The surf shots are cropped in by about 40% and are tuned up only by pressing ‘auto tone’ in Photoshop. No fancy tweaking. At hi-res the surf shots would easily be accepted by a surfing magazine for publication since they are quite sharp. Shutterspeed either 1/800 or 1/1000.
Finally I have a ‘movie camera’ and still camera in one so now I don’t have to carry a dedicated still rig with me. Thanks to RED for this amazing camera, even though I bought it just weeks before the 1/2 price drop. Now I don't have to carry another heavy fluid head, lenses etc. etc. Now if someone could lighten my overweight load by making those batteries, especially the REDBRICKS, weigh about 1/10th what they do now?
Greg Huglin
 

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Hey Greg,

I've used my stock Canon FD 150-600 f5.6L zoom extensively with Red One starting in 2007 and Epic starting in February 2011. I used that setup mostly to shoot wildlife and action sports - with stellar results. Like you, I've also used that setup to shoot tons of surfing, with a big portion of that being giant waves - empty and surfed.

Right now I have to leave to do some field work, but later this evening I'll get back on this thread and post my impressions of the 150-600 on Red One and Epic. Love that lens...
 
Hey Steve,
I am familiar with your outstanding work. Any info you have will be much appreciated.
Greg
 
Thanks for those very kind words Greg. You're already an experienced veteran, who shoots excellent footage (love the great white shark shots), but I hope the info below and sample clips help you in your approach to using your stock Canon 150-600 to shoot surfing and wildlife:

Your eyesight is different than mine. Both my eyes test out as very close to 20/20. I'm just slightly near-sighted - everything up close and at medium range is crystal clear, and far distant things are just slightly fuzzy. I don't need to wear reading glasses, and sight focusing cameras with my eyes close to an EVF or LCD isn't a problem for me. I'm 64 years old and I've been shooting still photography since 1969, and motion cinematography and videography since 1978. All these years I've protected my eyes whenever I'm out in in daylight by wearing high quality sunglasses (usually Oakley) that incorporate good UV filtering and usually polarized. Obviously I don't wear the sunglasses when shooting, but I always wear them before and after.

When I use Epic at various times I use the 5" touchscreen LCD (with a Hoodman hood), and the Red EVF. I rarely use the camera's built-in electronic focusing aids. The stock 150-600 was my choice, rather than the re-housed cine versions done by Century and others. The re-housed versions are much heavier (thus less mobile), and require the near-simultaneous use of three separate rings while tracking sports or wildlife action. Also, for increased mobility I never use a matte box or follow focus on my rigs - opting instead for screw-on (or drop in mini-tray) filtering, which the stock 150-600 allows. Beyond that, the stock 150-600, with its combo push/pull lever for zooming and knob twisting for focus racking, is perfectly suited to tracking action in shots. With a straight push/pull of the lever the stock 150-600 hold focus throughout a zoom from 150mm to 600mm and back. If I need to rack focus slightly while tracking something like a surfer, a very slight twist of the focus knob while simultaneously pulling or pushing the knob works just fine. As I'm getting ready for each shot I push out to 600mm, rack focus until its spot-on, then pull straight back on the knob (without twisting it!) to maybe 200mm, find the wave and surfer, then mush straight in (again no twist of the knob!) to the framing I want and hit record. If the shot angle creates the subject (surfer, animal. etc.) coming progressively toward me, I pull smoothly backward on the knob to adjust framing on the fly, again taking care not to twist it, and focus stays spot-on.

With Red One and Epic I hardly ever use 1.4x and 2x extenders with my zoom lenses. If I do its usually a 1.4x if I absolutely need to get longer focal length for some particular shots - I.E. either use it or not get the shots.

For action sports or moving wildlife shots I usually use a shutter speed which is about 2.25 to 2.50 times the frame rate. In other words if I'm shooting 3k with a project frame rate of 29.97 (or 23.98), over cranked to 48fps, then my shutter speed is usually somewhere around 125. If I'm shooting 4kHD with a project frame rate of 29.97, over cranked to 120fps, then I usually set the shutter to around 280. If I'm shooting 5k, with a project frame rate of 29.97, over cranked to 96fps, then I usually set the shutter speed to somewhere around 240. Real high shutter speeds like 800 or 1000 are only needed when shooting Epic as s dedicated stills camera - where your project is for print purposes. With the shutter speeds I mentioned above, since you're panning along with the action, everything is basically "frozen" in a still frame anyway.

Just a note on tripods. Over the years I've used every major brand of tripod head and legs extensively - O'Connor, Vinten, Sachtler, Miller, etc. But for the mobile documentary, action sports, wildlife, music, and travel work me and my crews do we use Miller heads and legs exclusively. They're very smooth, well built, lightweight, dependable, and affordable. The Miller heads we use are the Arrow 55 (supports 22-55 pounds), Compass 25 (supports 10-32 pounds), and Compass 15 (supports 4 to 22 pounds). The Arrow 55 and Compass 25 are 100mm bowls so for legs we use the Miller Sprinter II CF 3-Stage, mid-spreader legs, and the Miller Solo 1505 CF spreaderless 3_stage legs. With the Compass 15 head, which has a 75mm bowl, we use the Miller Solo 1502 CF 2-Stage spreaderless legs, and the EFP/ENG 2-Stage, mid-spreader alloy legs. With the Canon 150-600 on Epic we usually use the Arrow 55 head or the Compass 25 head.

Here are some online samples from my Artbeats Red Footage Collection, which I shot with Red One using my stock Canon 150-600 and my Miller head/legs combos - surfing, kiteboarding, sailboarding, and wildlife clips. The one exception is the Kite Boarding shot, for which I used my Nikon AIS 50-300 f4.5 zoom, which has three rings rather than an all-in-one lever like the 150-600. Three-ring zoom action shots like the Kite Boarding clip can be nailed well - but it takes lots of practice. Unfortunately I don't have any of my Red Epic 150-600 shots online so I can't show you any of them right now.

Surfing (3k/29.97 project frame rate/shot at 48fps/shutter speed 125) *some surfing project frame rates were 23.98
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-50/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-40/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-52/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-49/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-54/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-53/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-39/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-65/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-59/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-34/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH103-71/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-66/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-25/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH106-19/HD
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH106-29/HD

Sailboarding (3k/29.97 project frame rate/shot at 48fps/shutter speed125)
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH104-42/HD

Pelicans (2k/29.97 project frame rate/shot at 112fps/shutter speed 270)
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH104-03/HD

Kite Boarding (4k/29.97fps/shutter speed 92)
http://www.artbeats.com/clips/SG-FH105-71/HD


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In my Red footage library I have some incredible big wave surfing and big empty wave footage shot on the West Coast and Hawaii - including all the best waves of the 2010 Mavericks contest, where the wave faces were around 55' on the biggest sets. One of those ridden waves that day ended up winning the Billabong XXL for the largest wave paddled into and surfed in the entire world that year! I also have extensive surfing lifestyle clips in my Red footage library - sunsets, people, etc. If you happen to know someone who is interested in licensing of my footage send them my way!

I see you're based in Santa Barbara. I'm back on the Central Coast occasionally. When I know I'm going to be in the SB area I'll let you know and perhaps we can hook up and compare Red notes and stories. The best way to reach is via email: steve at gg3d dot com.

Cheers!
 
Thursday,
Hey Steve,
Thanks for the great info. I'm at Heathrow on my way back to California. Kinda jetlagged so I will read and reply to your post when I get some sleep.
Thanks again.
Greg
 
Happy to help...

Have a great trip back, and be safe.
 
Hi Greg! Please could you clarify something for me? You say above that you were using the 7" touch screen, however Red does not make such a screen.

It looks like there is a 5" screen on your Epic. However you say that "I found that the larger image on the 7’ touchscreen worked better for me" which is confusing, as I could imagine you saying that with respect to the 9" touch screen, but not the 5".

Cinema Oxide only seems to make a Carbonite Scope for the 5" touch screen. So if you are indeed using the 5" with its fairly low resolution (with respect to alternatives), how was it for focussing with the Carbonite Scope. You indicate that it is good for you with distant surfers. Thanks!!
 
Awesome pictures Greg. Looking forward to the video.

Focusing Canon 150-600FD lens with RED 7" Touchscreen vs. RED Oled EVF

To all the REDUSER folks who helped me recently make decisions regarding how to focus my Canon 150-600 lens in bright light, thanks. Here’s what I found out. Being over 45, I wear the El Cheapo Costco 1.25 reading glasses for reading and anything less than arms length. Had Lasik eye surgery but it ain’t perfect so Costco glasses are scattered all over my house, car, etc. I used to have 20/10 vision in my focusing eye and now the eye doctor says it’s 20/20 but it isn’t like I’m 18 any more. When looking at the 7” touchscreen, I need glasses to focus it. In bright daylight it’s impossible to accurately see what I’m doing. So, I bought a Cinema Oxide Carbonite scope and the 7” RED touch screen and it works really well. The scope has a diopter adjustment built into it and when I need to touch the screen I can flip it up, easy to do. I also bought the RED Oled EVF and tried that out as well. I found that the larger image on the 7’ touchscreen worked better for me. My true opinion, I’m not paid by Cinema Oxide, I paid retail for my scope.

Yesterday I did my first ‘real’ shoot with the Epic and my new rig in Portugal shooting big wave towsurfing. I had enough light to shoot at 5k at roughly 100 fps. Set the shutter to 1/800 and 1/1000 during the partly sunny day and the Canon 150-600 at f11. Had the lens at about 600mm all day but didn’t need any 1.4 or 2x extenders this time. Used the ‘focus’ setting on the touchscreen which seemed to help with what looked like slightly increased contrast. So, I had a red square in the center of the screen which I was hoping would change color to yellow or green when I was in focus. Well, it rarely did that, like maybe 1% of the time.
I don’t know if that’s because I wasn’t using an autofocus Canon lens or what, but it just didn’t confirm focus by changing color. But, when I downloaded about 2 hours of footage last night in my hotel room and looked at it on my 13” Macbook, I was very happy to see that 99% of my shots were tack sharp. Okay, I’ve been using manual focus long lenses since the early 1970’s and do practice a lot but that Touchscreen/Carbonite scope combo really really made it work for me.
Here’s two screencaps I made for the surfer and one of me using the rig.
The surf shots are cropped in by about 40% and are tuned up only by pressing ‘auto tone’ in Photoshop. No fancy tweaking. At hi-res the surf shots would easily be accepted by a surfing magazine for publication since they are quite sharp. Shutterspeed either 1/800 or 1/1000.
Finally I have a ‘movie camera’ and still camera in one so now I don’t have to carry a dedicated still rig with me. Thanks to RED for this amazing camera, even though I bought it just weeks before the 1/2 price drop. Now I don't have to carry another heavy fluid head, lenses etc. etc. Now if someone could lighten my overweight load by making those batteries, especially the REDBRICKS, weigh about 1/10th what they do now?
Greg Huglin
 
I'm pretty sure Greg meant to say he used the 5" touchscreen. I also use the carbonite scope and love it. Once you put it on you will never want to take it off. I'm not an employe and have no affiliation with carbonite scopes but as a happy user I just wanted to sing their praise.
 
Thanks very much for that Peter! I am guessing that the carbonite scope really helps with focussing, at least for close objects. However I am curious as to how it is for distant and fast moving objects, such as wildlife. Greg seems to have found it adequate for focusing on surfaces, which despite being small in the frame, are still larger, and slower, than many birds for example.
 
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