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Avid MC 4K Finish Workflow

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I have a great workflow that I use for a 1080 finish, but have been thinking what do I do if I need to finish a project in 4K? Avid MC is my go to editing software and it is what I work the best in. I would just like to get a general idea for a pretty straight forward workflow for finishing in 4K. What software should I use? Do I need to invest in additional hardware and software?
 
On a Mac, I use Autodesk smoke to finish at higher than HD resolution, or on a PC I use Avid DS. If you don't need a full on NLE and compositing, then Resolve at $995 might be a good option.

Michael
 
And you can download Autodesk Smoke 2013 as beta to try it out for yourself.

Michael
 
Doesn't Resolve have a lite version? Can that be used to finish in 4K?
 
The full (paid) version will support finishing in resolutions higher than HD.

Resolve lite accepts high resolution source material, but is limited to SD and HD resolution projects and output.

There are a few other limitations in the lite version, see there brief comparison: http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/models
 
Charlie Perera said:
The full (paid) version will support finishing in resolutions higher than HD.

Resolve lite accepts high resolution source material, but is limited to SD and HD resolution projects and output.

There are a few other limitations in the lite version, see there brief comparison: http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/models
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Since I have never used Resolve I think I will check out the lite version just to see how it works before I buy it. Thanks for the info.
 
what about following scenario:

grade first light dailies in redcine-x. incl. aaf.
import in avid media composer.
edit.
export to resolve.
grade in resolve. ( maybe it is not necessary to render out of resolve in 4k ) just grade your r3d's - is there any option to save the original r3ds but with the resolve changes baked in as metadta?
export your timeline out of avid to premiere.
open your timeline in premiere and link to the "resolve graded r3d's" ?
render your 4k files out by premiere ??? maybe as image sequence or as 4k f4v ?

where are the experts... anyone wants to workout a "whitepaper" for such a scenario?

does anyone know, if it is possible to import a avid timeline into premiere and "link" to resolve tuned r3d's or 4k files rendered by resolve?
would be a nice and cheap solution, as it is possible to bring the "resolve graded r3d's" into premiere you can do grading with the costfree resolve lite!!!!
also there would be no need for buying expensive software (avid ds or smoke) for outputting 4k files...

any ideas?

thanks, norbert
 
Such a color correction process only assumes changes of Red metadata color parameters and not all the control you have in Resolve to do a color correction (secondaries, mattes, vignettes, tracked or not). None of that can be expressed in an updated RMD file - thus the reason to bake those decision into some file format that is compatible with PPro.

Michael
 
Norbert Jalitsch said:
does it work flawless ?
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"Flawless" is a big word when it comes to composition interchange. I think you will find a curve where flawless may be applied to a sequence composed of nothing but straight cuts, and as the sequence gets more complex, it becomes less flawless. It is a moving target as manufactures implement AAF, both from an export and import perspective. Layers, nests, group clips, autosync clips, titles, plug-ins and such all add complexity to the composition structure. So it is very hard to gauge "flawless".

Michael
 
Norbert Jalitsch said:
what about following scenario:

grade first light dailies in redcine-x. incl. aaf.
import in avid media composer.
edit.
export to resolve.
grade in resolve. ( maybe it is not necessary to render out of resolve in 4k ) just grade your r3d's - is there any option to save the original r3ds but with the resolve changes baked in as metadta?
export your timeline out of avid to premiere.
open your timeline in premiere and link to the "resolve graded r3d's" ?
render your 4k files out by premiere ??? maybe as image sequence or as 4k f4v ?

where are the experts... anyone wants to workout a "whitepaper" for such a scenario?

does anyone know, if it is possible to import a avid timeline into premiere and "link" to resolve tuned r3d's or 4k files rendered by resolve?
would be a nice and cheap solution, as it is possible to bring the "resolve graded r3d's" into premiere you can do grading with the costfree resolve lite!!!!
also there would be no need for buying expensive software (avid ds or smoke) for outputting 4k files...

any ideas?

thanks, norbert
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I think Resolve 995$ licence is so cheap there's not need to try to find cheaper solution. You will still need a trustable beamer/monitor, some BMD hd-sdi board, good gpu, good storage, etc...
I think the cheapset solution if you have Adobe CS6 master/production, might be Adobe Speedgrade. From avid export xml/edl and import in Speedgrade, do your grading and then export 4K dpx.
 
How do you do titles if you go the Resolve route?
 
I highly suggest the Avid white paper on digital cinema workflow which will walk you through the steps needed for proper protocols within Avid and 3rd party apps. It's currently up to date with v6.5.

And listen to everything Michael says because he knows his stuff very thoroughly.
 
:blush:

Michael
 
All I have to say is I love Resolve. Going from Avid MC to Resolve is easy and straight forward. I think it is going to be my answer for a 4K finish.
 
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