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The Future of Red One

CocoBermudez said:
As much as I would like to think of some sensor upgrade, I am perfectly happy with the RED ONE. I still am way ahead of the curve. Like I said before...look at your options right now when it comes to 4K from the other guys... for example, Sony’s NEX-FS700 needs optional 4K recorder via 3G HD-SDI? So complicated...In '09 I was getting 4K on a little CF card! I'm still winning....
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i second that.
I LOVE MY RED ONE, 4 AUDIO INPUT, SDI ALL THE BITS AND BOBS THAT THEY ARE ADDING TO THE RED EPIC AND SCARLET.
PLEASE ITS STRONG ALTHOUGH HEAVY.

ITS THE G, JUST LACKING IN RESOLUTION AND FIRMWARE.
ID LIKE A TOUCH SCREEN OR RED HANLE LIKE DMSC
 
Mike 'Fireman' Ross said:
I'm calling BS on that. The only place it came close to being tested was here in the USA, with ReplayTV. The networks sued for copyright infringement due to the auto-skipping of commercials which the ReplayTV software made possible. Think about that for a moment; how exactly do you infringe copyright by allowing viewers to NOT watch commercials which the *networks who sued didn't even own the copyright of!*??!!

That one should be right up there with the 'Boston Strangler VCR' and 'skipping commercials is theft' quotes as the kind of thing that really damage our industry in the eyes of the public. I mean you can see how people can't listen to that kind of stuff and keep a straight face...

Anyway, the case was never decided; the owners of ReplayTV went into bankruptcy protection for reasons unrelated to the lawsuit, and the case was settled.

So, what laws in which industrialized nations make it illegal to 'sell a device' which skips commercials, in your opinion? And what's a 'device'? What if it's a 3rd-party software feature for a DVR or cable box? What if it's an open-source project that's given away rather than sold? (as all the hacks which added functionality to ReplayTV were)

Mike
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You're a fireman by profession. Some of us need to make a living at this. You really do not understand this business at all or how hard it is to get real professional projects financed - if you were you would not be repeating Google's propaganda. (sorry, but you're a fireman - which is a much more noble profession than mine, but you are not really in this business nor paying your mortgage off it) Luckily lawmakers mostly agree. It's not illegal like bombs are illegal - it's that it violates contract law and terms of use of the content.
 
Rob Ruffo said:
You're a fireman by profession. Some of us need to make a living at this. You really do not understand this business at all or how hard it is to get real professional projects financed - if you were you would not be repeating Google's propaganda. (sorry, but you're a fireman - which is a much more noble profession than mine, but you are not really in this business nor paying your mortgage off it) Luckily lawmakers mostly agree. It's not illegal like bombs are illegal - it's that it violates contract law and terms of use of the content.
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I'm a volunteer fireman. A professional volunteer fireman :-) I've spent a lot longer making my living in the computer and software industry than behind the camera, that I grant you; I am pretty new to this business but I'm making money.

Mike
 
Back on topic, I've been noticing used R1's with M sensors on ebay for aroun 8-10k lately. Only a matter of time before they get to 5-6k, and then I will finally be able to afford one.
 
anne-maree gale said:
I hope not,I for one don't want to see that happen
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Media and electronics equipment always depreciates very rapidly. I understand that red's are fairly "exclusive", but you can't possibly buy one and think it will GO UP in resale value, or even actually hold its value for a long time. This isin't a vintage ferrari.

So don't feel bad when I pick one up on ebay for 5 grand including accessories in 2 years.
 
Some cameras do hold their valeu a very long time, not 100%, but a lot of it.

F900, EX1, etc. Cameras only lost a ton of value that were SD, and then HD came out. A Red MX is 4K, after all, RAW - it's quite future-proof. It will be an extremely long time before much better than that comes out, and MXs are still used as B Cams on very high end Epic shoots today. Rare is the situation where the MX does not have enough latitude or sensitivity - and never is the situation where it does not have enough resolution.
 
Rob Ruffo said:
Some cameras do hold their valeu a very long time, not 100%, but a lot of it.

F900, EX1, etc. Cameras only lost a ton of value that were SD, and then HD came out. A Red MX is 4K, after all, RAW - it's quite future-proof. It will be an extremely long time before much better than that comes out, and MXs are still used as B Cams on very high end Epic shoots today. Rare is the situation where the MX does not have enough latitude or sensitivity - and never is the situation where it does not have enough resolution.
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That may be the case, but I was referring to the models that still have the original M sensor and CF module. Right now they hover around 10k, and I have seen one go on here in the sale section for 8k, with accessories too most of the time. I stand by my assertion that within 2-3 years we can see those M sensor bodies going for 5-6k on ebay easily.
 
john jeffreys said:
That may be the case, but I was referring to the models that still have the original M sensor and CF module. Right now they hover around 10k, and I have seen one go on here in the sale section for 8k, with accessories too most of the time. I stand by my assertion that within 2-3 years we can see those M sensor bodies going for 5-6k on ebay easily.
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Do you actually own a red ?
 
john jeffreys said:
That may be the case, but I was referring to the models that still have the original M sensor and CF module. Right now they hover around 10k, and I have seen one go on here in the sale section for 8k, with accessories too most of the time. I stand by my assertion that within 2-3 years we can see those M sensor bodies going for 5-6k on ebay easily.
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I think they've gone as low as they will for a while. Used price on Ex1 has not changed in 3 years. I think those selling now are no longer desperate, so price may go up a little soon.
 
I love my Red-MX. It has many years and many beautiful images in front of it. It payed for itself in a little over one year and is still going strong almost 4 years later. I make close to its current sale value in using it for projects every year. If there is one thing I would love to see - which is probably out of the realm of the possible - would be the canon mount (and support for the upcoming Pro-Redmote folow focus) to work on the Red-One. I have used the birger for years and love the look of canon glass on the red but have had to put up with all of the shortcomings of the Impero. If red could pull off either offering an adapter for the dsmc canon mount or a new Red-one specific mount I would be ecstatic. I am less interested in upgrades as in expanded choices for accessories and if the wireless and intelligent lens mount technology could be adapted to it I think these alone could extend the useful life of the Red-one for a good long while.
 
N_Villers said:
I love my Red-MX. It has many years and many beautiful images in front of it. It payed for itself in a little over one year and is still going strong almost 4 years later. I make close to its current sale value in using it for projects every year. If there is one thing I would love to see - which is probably out of the realm of the possible - would be the canon mount (and support for the upcoming Pro-Redmote folow focus) to work on the Red-One. I have used the birger for years and love the look of canon glass on the red but have had to put up with all of the shortcomings of the Impero. If red could pull off either offering an adapter for the dsmc canon mount or a new Red-one specific mount I would be ecstatic. I am less interested in upgrades as in expanded choices for accessories and if the wireless and intelligent lens mount technology could be adapted to it I think these alone could extend the useful life of the Red-one for a good long while.
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If you really learn the Impero - and update your Birger firmware - it's actually brilliant. We shoot $100 000 music videos with it. What shortcomings? It just works.
 
The only downside of the REDone is there is no upgrade path to Dragon, which will mark it's own demise. MX is a amazing sensor and the M was unthinkable for it's time. But People want to keep up with newer sensor technologies and forget the older one's short comings. It will still get jobs but just not the jobs it was worthy of getting a few years ago and not for the price. I don't see it stopped being used in the industry until the death of HD. So we still got some time left.

Personally I would like to see RED to turn the REDone into slow-motion camera. Throw 3 epics into that body and sell it for like 100K. Make it a RED phantom camera.
 
anne-maree gale said:
Do you actually own a red ?
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I like how you read and replied to at like 2 of my statements that clearly state my plans to eventually get one, and then you finally expressed your doubt as to whether I actually owned one. Of course I don't. Thats why i am posting in a thread about my projections for prices.
 
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