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Idea - built in ND filters...

Gunleik Groven

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So this is not an original idea, but I was playing around quickly with an F65 proto the other day, and one thing I really liked about that cam was the built-in ND filters.

Is this something to consider for the next-gen REDcams?

I know we are supposed to get user-replaceable OLPFs with built in ND for the Epic, but the push of a button did not feel like a bad idea, comparing to pull out the screwdeiver...
 
i agree gunleik... lots of prosumer cameras use built in, adjustable ND's. the original scarlet was supposed to have buit in ND filters. i'm sure RED is considering it, but maybe they can consider it a little bit more :)
 
honestly, i'm not sure that i would use the OLPF+ND for normal use, because of the lack of flexibility and fragility of the thing.

i'm thinking i'll use either a mattebox or screw-on filters over that. we'll see.
 
I used an F3 on Friday, ND filters were there as well.
 
+1.....0.6,0.9,1.2,1.5 to make it more daylight friendly ;))
but what we will do then with all tge 500 dollar ir-nd filters hehe.
 
Jarred has stated this this is already possible with drop in filters behind the mount that fit into the tray.

You could experiment with some high quality ND cut to size behind the mount but in front if the sensor.

A small set of glass filters would be great. You could easily drop in a .9 ND for an all day exterior daylight shoot and run and gun without a mattebox.

David
 
Gunleik Groven said:
So this is not an original idea, but I was playing around quickly with an F65 proto the other day, and one thing I really liked about that cam was the built-in ND filters.

Is this something to consider for the next-gen REDcams?

I know we are supposed to get user-replaceable OLPFs with built in ND for the Epic, but the push of a button did not feel like a bad idea, comparing to pull out the screwdeiver...
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I'm still using 2/3rd inch HD cameras for most of my UK broadcast work and one of the huge bonuses for documentaries which is where most of my work is, is having 2 filter wheels on the camera, one gives you 4 ND options and the other gives you colour temperature options. All invaluable for getting great shots and reacting to real life unfolding at speed. I would love to see a built in ND wheel or similar. The New Canon has it which is going to be popular with broadcast Doc shooters. So is internal 4.2.2 Canon XF 50mb/s codec going to tick a lot of boxes for broadcasters who want a fast deliverable format. It's a problem because I know that Scarlet is cameraman's dream and the C300 is going to be many producers easy way out. I can see the conversations now...........
 
Built in ND's or one variable ND.
Plus something like "Tessive time filter" built-in, with fade curve tuning as well.
 
johannperry said:
I'm still using 2/3rd inch HD cameras for most of my UK broadcast work and one of the huge bonuses for documentaries which is where most of my work is, is having 2 filter wheels on the camera, one gives you 4 ND options and the other gives you colour temperature options. All invaluable for getting great shots and reacting to real life unfolding at speed. I would love to see a built in ND wheel or similar.
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I agree, as a Cameraman with both a Red One and a top of the Range Sony Broadcast camera, the inbuilt ND's allow for fast moving changes while working your camera at the f stop you want. They are invaluable and I would love to see them on a Red camera in the future.

We all know budgets are getting tighter and crews smaller, so being able to quickly and easily change an ND is a great option.
 
Would love something like this... A new drop in filter format perhaps? With electronically controlled trays... User replaceable filters... Lovely.
 
Is even has more nd options than the f3. But i agree built in nd would be great!
 
I using a Sony FS100 with Nikon glass and variable NDs and love the amount of control you have, l see no problem using the same system on Scarlet. My only real concern about Scarlet is onboard sound control.
Hoping to get to Red at Pinewood in the next couple of weeks to see the options available on this front. As most of my work is with very small crews and the client.
 
Can anybody explain why all these camera manufacturers ignore the time-tested and true method for identifying ND filtration (ND.3,.6,.9,1.2,1.5,1.8). How in the world am I supposed to know what 1/64th ND means in terms of stop reduction off the top of my head?

I looked on wikipedia and found the fraction to be the result of this equation: (I⁄I0) = 10-d. What makes them think this is more useful or easier in the field than following the standard traditions set in place for labeling ND filters? Did they not consult any cinematographers when engineering their camera? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the new Canon Cinema C300 uses this same naming convention in fractions. And this is supposed to be their debut cinema camera? Not impressed. <end of rant>
 
variable ND actually degrade picture quality quite bad, and don't cut the light evenly, but all over over place different, built in nd's will give better looking results. I agree they are a great solution for shooting fast.
 
Patrick Kaplin said:
Can anybody explain why all these camera manufacturers ignore the time-tested and true method for identifying ND filtration (ND.3,.6,.9,1.2,1.5,1.8). How in the world am I supposed to know what 1/64th ND means in terms of stop reduction off the top of my head?
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It's a filter factor naming convention, standard for still photography. 1/64 is 6 stops. I assume they decided to use this naming method because traditionally EFP/ENG cameramen set exposure by eye rather than by light meter. So labeling the 6-stop filter as 1/64 instead as ND1.8 wasn't a priority and used up 1 more digit to boot, prob costing them more money to print...
 
Dylan Macleod said:
I am surprised a third party has not come up with a "behind the lens" solution for ND and IR's. I would buy one of these in a second!
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I'm really hoping the Dragon upgrade will include some sort of built in IRND option.
 
me too!, having to have front filters makes the camera heavy and bulky. And i agree that vary nd's suck big time, the really degrade your picture to much. Built in ND would be really nice :)
 
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