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RED's home 4k Projector under 10k, Sony's home 4k Projector over 20k!!

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Okay this is were you realize how one of Jarred's recent post might be more then close to the truth of things, about inflated cost of goods by other companies to cover the insanely expensive advertising that they do.

RED announces their 4K home RedRay Laser Home Projector, and now Sony is releasing ahed of schedule their Home 4k Projector... http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42369/sony-vpl-vw1000es-hands-on but wait, RED's is under 10k, and Sony's? Well around double that, 20k!!

So which would you choose?


He he, I don't need to think about my answer, even so I have a great 1080p Sony projector at home now, as soon as our First RED Projector arrives Sony's will hit the door... ;)


This for under 10k?

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OR...

This for double?

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DEFINITELY THIS!!

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can't wait for the Redray hehe. Hopefully it'll be out before Sony releases theirs:-)
 
You'll probably find that the RED Projector needs extra accessories (like that lens) to actually be usable, whilst the Sony will work out of the box like all of their other projectors. By the time you factor those costs in the price difference probably won't be as large. And is it just me or does the RED Projector look massive compared to the Sony in those pictures?
 
Felix van Oost said:
You'll probably find that the RED Projector needs extra accessories (like that lens) to actually be usable, whilst the Sony will work out of the box like all of their other projectors. By the time you factor those costs in the price difference probably won't be as large. And is it just me or does the RED Projector look massive compared to the Sony in those pictures?
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Even after you buy a RED Pro Prime adding 4k, which btw yin current configuration you can use any PL mount lens you want, without considering other Lens Mounts and lenses, so its still would be over 6k in difference for an inferior product, so still no thanks.

Size is actually about the same, apart from the protruding lens on the RED projector, and the Sony been rounded on the edges, but for final shape and look or size of the RED projector, I'll hold any thoughts as I know how fast things can change at RED.

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In fact at 520mm wide and stretching back 640mm and 22+ Kilos the Sony could be bigger.
 
but the main question is, when will red really make it available, and will we have to wait for it like everything else? Will red be as compatable to other playback solutions than redray? there are many questions. While Sony is sony. No matter how much I love red.
 
KETCH ROSSi said:
Even after you buy a RED Pro Prime adding 4k, which btw yin current configuration you can use any PL mount lens you want, without considering other Lens Mounts and lenses, so its still would be over 6k in difference for an inferior product, so still no thanks.

Size is actually about the same, apart from the protruding lens on the RED projector, and the Sony been rounded on the edges, but for final shape and look or size of the RED projector, I'll hold any thoughts as I know how fast things can change at RED.
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I'm not sure how you're able to say the RED is the superior product just by looking at the meagre list of specs that RED has posted and a press release / showcase by a third party on the Sony projector. You haven't seen the Sony in person so you can't tell how it looks yet - perhaps it would be best to withhold judgement until you can actually compare both products? It seems like the sole intention of this thread is to flame Sony's product based on price before you even know how it performs.

I personally have more faith in Sony's worldwide distribution and ease of use over RED in general, but that's just me. Your explanation for the apparent size difference makes sense though, the Sony's rounded edges is quite possibly what makes it appear more compact.
 
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And isn't the RED Projector a laser? That means no focus. Right? When it hits, it is still in focus so you should be able to have a wraparound screen with no special optics. No?
 
Joseph Hutson said:
While I don't really care about size or what the unit looks like (the output is what matters), something to not forget is the fact that RD's model is apparently outputting 3D over a single lens...
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From what the link to the Sony projector says, the VPL-VW1000ES also does 4K 3D at 120Hz through the single lens.
 
Felix van Oost said:
I'm not sure how you're able to say the RED is the superior product just by looking at the meagre list of specs that RED has posted and a press release / showcase by a third party on the Sony projector. You haven't seen the Sony in person so you can't tell how it looks yet - perhaps it would be best to withhold judgement until you can actually compare both products? It seems like the sole intention of this thread is to flame Sony's product based on price before you even know how it performs.

I personally have more faith in Sony's worldwide distribution and ease of use over RED in general, but that's just me. Your explanation for the apparent size difference makes sense though, the Sony's rounded edges is quite possibly what makes it appear more compact.
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Well, you just said that, you are not sure, but I am... ;)

REDRAY Projector it is a superior product, and what it offers is also far more innovative and superior to the SOny product, which I love, but there is not a chance I'll continue to use a Sony system once the RED system is ready.

Also don't forget that I do have first hand on some things before they even hit the market, (NOT THE CASE HERE... Yet) but I know what I know, and it is sufficient to draw my opinion, I'm not stating it as a FACT, we each will choose our own system either way, I have chosen mine a little early... Or have I chosen a little early?


BTW Felix, wanted to say this in the prior reply to you, but I'll say it now... I absolutely love SINGAPORE, and will be there again soon, to see it much changed I know I'll not find my way around any more, as it has become an incredible place... ;)


Curran Giddens said:
Doesn't the Red projector come with the Red Ray player? That is worth about $1,000 right there.
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Amongst other specs.
 
Can someone clarify the whole lens thing with the red projector?

IDK much about projectors but do I understand correctly that you could put any lens mount on the front of the Redray and mount any lens and project through it? As projector lenses can be quite expensive this seems like it would be a great savings. OTOH aren't all projector lenses fixed aperture? I am confused by the picture of the RPP on the laser projector.
 
James McLellan said:
Can someone clarify the whole lens thing with the red projector?

IDK much about projectors but do I understand correctly that you could put any lens mount on the front of the Redray and mount any lens and project through it? As projector lenses can be quite expensive this seems like it would be a great savings. OTOH aren't all projector lenses fixed aperture? I am confused by the picture of the RPP on the laser projector.
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That ability to exchange mounts and lenses has me wondering what limits, if any, there are to projecting content through the Red Projector. Can we have home Cinemascope with proper framing and lens matching? Will we someday be able to stream a movie in the aspect ratio of our choice!?
 
Joseph Hutson said:
While I don't really care about size or what the unit looks like (the output is what matters), something to not forget is the fact that RD's model is apparently outputting 3D over a single lens...
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Pretty much all 3d projectors have one lens. You don't need interoccular with a projector, that's for cameras.
 
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AFAIK the Sony VPL-1000ES projector is limited to 4K (4096 x 2160) at 23.98fps and QuadHD (3840 x 2160) at 29.97fps. I don't have the spec in front of me but IIRC the choice of a single HDMI 1.4a port for interconnect caps the bandwidth/refresh rate as noted. Perhaps they have already gone to a second gen unit with different input options?

FWIW, Sony actually shipping and selling 4K "home" projectors in 2012 is both a welcome step forward in the road to 4K and, perversely, a unit frozen in time by its bandwidth limitations. Perhaps there is a way to upgrade the interface I don't know about, but if not, it would seem like the poster child for the planned obsolescence Jim found so frustrating that it helped motivate him to start RDC. If I could get a full purchase price credit on the next iteration of the 1000ES (ala R1 to EpicX) I'd buy one today. Since (AFAIK) such a credit is not offered and knowing that S3D, HFR and greater bit-depth are on the horizon I just can't see spending more than $20K for a rig that will be worth $5K on eBAY in 2 years. Just saying'

Cheers - #19
 
Alan Skinner said:
And isn't the RED Projector a laser? That means no focus. Right? When it hits, it is still in focus so you should be able to have a wraparound screen with no special optics. No?
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Laser light source, not scanned raster laser beam like on the laser pico projector.
High powered beam projectors are illegal due to eye saftey concerns.

Still , $10K is fantastic. I hope they get the contrast improved, the prototype showed lifted black levels, but I'm certain better optics can improve that, as LCOS is known for great blacks.
 
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