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WHY aren't R3D Files as VIVID as Nikon DSLR Shots ?? What is WRONG ??

George D.

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I'm hoping one of you guys that has had a lot of experience with R3D footage from the Red-One Camera can tell me what is happening. Maybe I'm missing something, which is very likely. But, there is one thing I just don't get and I hope someone can clear it up for me since I am still very new to the Red-One.

We have been working on a small production of our own for awhile now, and incorporated in it are going to be some time-lapse sequences done with our Nikon D7000 DSLR Camera.

No matter how I adjust the R3D footage in Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5, it is just NOT as vivid, as sharp, and as impactual as those shots from the Nikon D7000.

Am I doing something wrong? Are there some adjustments in the camera menu or in CS5.5 that I am not using? Is it just an illusion?

When the shots from our Nikon are up on the monitor, they blow me away with their beauty. The ones from the Red-One do not. I am a little confused and bewildered by this.

BTW - I "am" using good lenses on the R1.

Any help or advise or instructions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

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George D. said:
I'm hoping one of you guys that has had a lot of experience with R3D footage from the Red-One Camera can tell me what is happening. Maybe I'm missing something, which is very likely. But, there is one thing I just don't get and I hope someone can clear it up for me since I am still very new to the Red-One.

We have been working on a small production of our own for awhile now, and incorporated in it are going to be some time-lapse sequences done with our Nikon D7000 DSLR Camera.

No matter how I adjust the R3D footage in Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5, it is just NOT as vivid, as sharp, and as impactual as those shots from the Nikon D7000.

Am I doing something wrong? Are there some adjustments in the camera menu or in CS5.5 that I am not using? Is it just an illusion?

When the shots from our Nikon are up on the monitor, they blow me away with their beauty. The ones from the Red-One do not. I am a little confused and bewildered by this.

BTW - I "am" using good lenses on the R1.

Any help or advise or instructions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

.
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Well it might be because the R3D files are compressed too vs the D7000's uncompressed RAW stills
 
Welcome to the world of RAW . . .

You need to spend some time learning the art and science of Color Grading. What you see coming out of your Nikon is basically a pre-graded file - an R3D is a flat tone file that needs some loving to make it sing. There is no question that whatever you are seeing and like from the Nikon file can be achieved with the R3D. From Adobe PP you need a proper color grading program like MB Colorista and an investment of 50+ hours learning same.
 
Josh Beadle said:
Welcome to the world of RAW . . .

You need to spend some time learning the art and science of Color Grading. What you see coming out of your Nikon is basically a pre-graded file - an R3D is a flat tone file that needs some loving to make it sing. There is no question that whatever you are seeing and like from the Nikon file can be achieved with the R3D. From Adobe PP you need a proper color grading program like MB Colorista and an investment of 50+ hours learning same.
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That's one way. Or you could use Source Settings from the Premiere project window. It makes adjustments and corrections to the R3D file. Another alternative is to correct using RedCine X. Premiere reads the files that are saved when you color correct in RedCine. You could also use Resolve. These workflows are well documented on other Reduser threads.

Tim Eaton
 
Thanks everyone, and this is all well and good. And, I will work harder to learn more of CS5.5, etc.

BUT, is there no way of having the shots come DIRECTLY out of the Red-One with a lot of this done already? I mean, I realize it is RAW and therefore infinitely adjustable, but it would sure be nice if the footage came out of the camera more vivid, more bright, more everything. If it was wrong, it could be changed later since it IS RAW.

I was just hoping maybe there was a way to roughly "pre-adjust" these things BEFORE the footage was put into CS5.5.

Oh well.

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I'd suggest using Redcine-X for this kind of adjustments, there are a lot more settings that you can tweak there to achieve a desired look.

After you're done with a shot in Redcine just save RMD and import to Premiere.
 
George D. said:
I was just hoping maybe there was a way to roughly "pre-adjust" these things BEFORE the footage was put into CS5.5.

Oh well.

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George, you're able to load looks into the R1. Or you can adjust color settings when you're in the camera. Easy as that. Learn the menus on the camera in order for you to do either one of these options.
 
George, you ought to consider attending a REDucation class at some point. I went in February and during the post-production portion of the class we learned easy ways to work with R3Ds in both RED-Cine-X and Premiere Pro to get the look we wanted. I think you would find it very worthwhile.
 
Alternatively you could go into your nikon raw settings and turn off all the presets (curves, sharpness etc.) so you are really looking at the "raw" file and compare with the Red "raw" file and do your grading from a level playing field..
 
William Albertini said:
Alternatively you could go into your nikon raw settings and turn off all the presets (curves, sharpness etc.) so you are really looking at the "raw" file and compare with the Red "raw" file and do your grading from a level playing field..
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Good point!

Thanks.

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William Albertini said:
Alternatively you could go into your nikon raw settings and turn off all the presets (curves, sharpness etc.) so you are really looking at the "raw" file and compare with the Red "raw" file and do your grading from a level playing field..
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As I guess this is not about being "fair" but getting the R3D's to look in the ballpark of the Nikon RAW files, this sounds a bit odd. But you could look into the Nikon default settings and replicate them by far in RCX

Apparent saturation and contrast will be very dependent on your gamma/colorsettings, over which you don't have much controll in the Nikon files...
 
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