Short Film: "Pull Back" Shot on Scarlet

[Adam Pitchie]

Great short! I would REALLY like to know which shot is the 5D one, since everybody on Vimeo is guessing (including me), and nobody has revealed which one it is. PLEASE!?

 

[Zack McTee]

all creative choice. but we did push the sky up a bit, but there wasn't a cloud to be seen, did a lot of desat, and levels/hue change on the sky, but everything was pretty much for the look and mood.

Great to know. Looking forward to seeing more.

 

[Matt Ryan]

Great short. I like the scarlet. it's one thing to have 4k images but I was very shock and surprised by how noisy it is , even in day time. They needs to the new sensor out cause they are losing the game for low light. The short was shot beautifully. Good job.

They also shot on t2.8 lenses so they lost a couple stops of light, so it would be unfair to say the Scarlet is too noisy in low light. If they were shot on master primes at t1.3 exposure wouldn't have been an issue.

There's more to an image than just the sensor.

 

[Timur Civan]

They also shot on t2.8 lenses so they lost a couple stops of light, so it would be unfair to say the Scarlet is too noisy in low light. If they were shot on master primes at t1.3 exposure wouldn't have been an issue.

There's more to an image than just the sensor.

@ an 800ISO i think the camera is TOO sensitive. Shooting out doors is a nightmare of ND Hell. I wish the camera were 50ISO. I can always turn on lights. They make 6k's for a reason. I almost never shoot wider than a T4, i dont like the look. Master primes are great, but i wind up shooting them at a T4.... so why not use Ultras.... Never really saw that big of a difference between ultras and masters.

 

[Matt Ryan]

@ an 800ISO i think the camera is TOO sensitive. Shooting out doors is a nightmare of ND Hell. I wish the camera were 50ISO. I can always turn on lights. They make 6k's for a reason. I almost never shoot wider than a T4, i dont like the look. Master primes are great, but i wind up shooting them at a T4.... so why not use Ultras.... Never really saw that big of a difference between ultras and masters.

No doubt, I agree with you here. I am just commenting on Pascal's post who said the footage was noisy in low light levels and even daylight since you guys went with pretty much natural lighting (regarding the interiors) thats where my comment was coming from. As for lights, I know. This film you guys didn't light so that's what im commenting on. I personally loved the look of it.

I could also tell from a color standpoint Tom lifted some of the darker parts of faces too which could be why someone would see grain. Im just trying to point out that the camera isn't the only aspect in the final look everyone sees here. Just dont want people to get turned off by the scarlet...

I really liked the look and color of the film. Im just trying to make it clear that just because the footage looked noisy that it is not all fault of the scarlet.

 

[Vadim Bobkovsky]

Great short. I like the scarlet. it's one thing to have 4k images but I was very shock and surprised by how noisy it is , even in day time. They needs to the new sensor out cause they are losing the game for low light. The short was shot beautifully. Good job.

There was some conversation about noise level and black shading in another thread. Yep, I bet Dragon will improve in that very case.

 

[Patrick Tong]

Nice short!

 

[Pascal Payant]

I know people loves to protect the Scarlet. it's a great camera and system but in the noise aspect, they are not the best. with the Dragon, I'm sure it will be very nice but whatever the lenses you used. it all comes from the camera itself. the quality is amazing don'T get me wrong. I was just hoping for less noise.

 

[Timur Civan]

What are you viewing on? i seriously dont see any noise..... maybe its my monitor... MBP matte PRO screen 17"

 

[Matthew Scott]

The 5D shot is at 01:28 for sure.

 

[Carmine Scalzi]

I can't see any noise... but maybe I'm a fanboy...

 

[Greg Fullwood]

thank you!

 

[Tom.Wong]

additional noise can be from monitors that are too bright, bringing the black levels all the way up. as if you added gain to the video in post. if the monitor is very good, and closer to proper broadcast levels than the video should look as intended. the bane of color and look management. all that hard work, and somebody somewhere will always see it at its worst.

 

[Felipe Leite]

great short. loved the cinematography.

 

[Dane Henry]

Seriously nice work fellas. I really enjoyed the concept, camera work and the grade. I thought the skys being pushed so hard to the point of clipping worked for the film.

Love that you went out and created something.

-Dane

 

[Eric-taner]

the question is coming up again, why do we need to shoot with a scarlet if we don't see a difference to 5d footage? and the most people of us would never have found it out if they didn't said that they used a 5d shoot in the short. And of course many people will now say, well on the big screen you will see the difference, we have to be honest, the most people on this platform are not shooting for the big screen, and for me the biggest point is, even if we (processionals) would see a little difference, the normal people (our customers and audience) would never see it, unless your showing them some footage on a good monitor side by side. 10 years ago when i was starting to shoot 4:3 SD and shiiit like that i always thought i need the so called best camera that just came out, and i always bought them. But not one person ever told me that my movies i shoot back then look worse then the projects i m shooting on better cameras today. And believe me, scarlet and Epic are gonna be old farts in 5 years from now, it was always like that, and it will always be like that. I m glad i realized this, and trying to spend the money on much more important stuff like good actors story good lighting and so on. And of course i know that its just a viemo compression we see here, but that counts for the most of our customers as well.

Dont get me wrong, i like the epic and scarlet, but it always makes me think, that a $2500.- camera is able to keep up with high end cameras.

 

[Dane Henry]

the question is coming up again, why do we need to shoot with a scarlet if we don't see a difference to 5d footage? and the most people of us would never have found it out if they didn't said that they used a 5d shoot in the short. And of course many people will now say, well on the big screen you will see the difference, we have to be honest, the most people on this platform are not shooting for the big screen, and for me the biggest point is, even if we (processionals) would see a little difference, the normal people (our customers and audience) would never see it, unless your showing them some footage on a good monitor side by side. 10 years ago when i was starting to shoot 4:3 SD and shiiit like that i always thought i need the so called best camera that just came out, and i always bought them. But not one person ever told me that my movies i shoot back then look worse then the projects i m shooting on better cameras today. And believe me, scarlet and Epic are gonna be old farts in 5 years from now, it was always like that, and it will always be like that. I m glad i realized this, and trying to spend the money on much more important stuff like good actors story good lighting and so on. And of course i know that its just a viemo compression we see here, but that counts for the most of our customers as well.

Dont get me wrong, i like the epic and scarlet, but it always makes me think, that a $2500.- camera is able to keep up with high end cameras.

Want to to buy a 5d? I'll sell ya one for $2500, super good deal...

...if that's all you need or or the jobs you need it for, then there is no reason to get anything else. And no reason to post your post...its been said before over and over

-Dane

 

[Tom.Wong]

the question is coming up again, why do we need to shoot with a scarlet if we don't see a difference to 5d footage? and the most people of us would never have found it out if they didn't said that they used a 5d shoot in the short. And of course many people will now say, well on the big screen you will see the difference, we have to be honest, the most people on this platform are not shooting for the big screen, and for me the biggest point is, even if we (processionals) would see a little difference, the normal people (our customers and audience) would never see it, unless your showing them some footage on a good monitor side by side. 10 years ago when i was starting to shoot 4:3 SD and shiiit like that i always thought i need the so called best camera that just came out, and i always bought them. But not one person ever told me that my movies i shoot back then look worse then the projects i m shooting on better cameras today. And believe me, scarlet and Epic are gonna be old farts in 5 years from now, it was always like that, and it will always be like that. I m glad i realized this, and trying to spend the money on much more important stuff like good actors story good lighting and so on. And of course i know that its just a viemo compression we see here, but that counts for the most of our customers as well.

Dont get me wrong, i like the epic and scarlet, but it always makes me think, that a $2500.- camera is able to keep up with high end cameras.

if you're happy with the 5d than stick with it. the short isn't here to pitch a camera, we aren't sales rep for RED. this just happens to be a RED forum, and we wanted to show some shot on RED stuff. My professional opinion, the shot worked out because the operator incidently baked most of the look in cam already that we were going for. plain and simple. i didn't have to do much to it to get it to match, it also wasn't the most detailed shot. everybody on these boards know all the weaknesses of a DSLR, so I won't dive into it, but I've had enough dslr footage come across my table to make me hate it forever because it's so limiting creatively.

and food for thought, the cameras may go "obsolete" in 5 years, but RED has and will offer a upgrade path over a new cam every year path. technology evolves, it's the only sensible thing to do, and they are doing it.

the cams may not seem so next gen anymore, but the footage you shoot are digital negatives in ever sense.

and a dslr makes baked h264 files, at a measured resolution of barely reaching HD at best.

how much do you think the footage itself will hold up in 5 years time? I know i'm looking at standard def stuff now like it's puke, and cringe every time i see a dvd.

 

[Sergio Perez]

the question is coming up again, why do we need to shoot with a scarlet if we don't see a difference to 5d footage? and the most people of us would never have found it out if they didn't said that they used a 5d shoot in the short. And of course many people will now say, well on the big screen you will see the difference, we have to be honest, the most people on this platform are not shooting for the big screen, and for me the biggest point is, even if we (processionals) would see a little difference, the normal people (our customers and audience) would never see it, unless your showing them some footage on a good monitor side by side. 10 years ago when i was starting to shoot 4:3 SD and shiiit like that i always thought i need the so called best camera that just came out, and i always bought them. But not one person ever told me that my movies i shoot back then look worse then the projects i m shooting on better cameras today. And believe me, scarlet and Epic are gonna be old farts in 5 years from now, it was always like that, and it will always be like that. I m glad i realized this, and trying to spend the money on much more important stuff like good actors story good lighting and so on. And of course i know that its just a viemo compression we see here, but that counts for the most of our customers as well.

Dont get me wrong, i like the epic and scarlet, but it always makes me think, that a $2500.- camera is able to keep up with high end cameras.

The 5D is a good camera. If it wasn't good it wasn't used in many internationally broadcast shows, like House MD and many, many TV Commercials and even features. I use one all the time, and will keep using it after receiving my Epic. Its a great tool for specific jobs. But it has limitations, and its not accepted by Broadcasters like the BBC for a reason (many, in fact). The main advantage of the 5D for productions are the form factor, the weight, the sensor size (still unmatched) and CHEAP as in inexpensive. This alone opens up many possibilities creatively- one can have 5 5D's for dangerous shots and not be afraid of breaking the bank if some are disposed. Is the image quality on the level of a Scarlet or Epic? Obviously NOT. The Scarlet and Epic are "A" Cameras for every type of production. And with 5D the more you use it as an "A" cam the more you'll spend in Post Production due to the compression artifacts, aliasing poor color and banding issues. In expensive shows like House they can afford this in Post Production. For an indie, to make it look as good as House, you need to have that post-production budget ready!

I have both a 5D and a 7D and will own an Epic. Not selling those two, which will be used as POV cams and extreme low light cameras (and photo cameras, of course). But I know I will struggle with sharpening on those 2 cameras to make them match my Epic, so will use them in those situations where it makes sense!

 

[Carmine Scalzi]

I've got 1 5D mark ii, 1 nex fs100 and now I'm waiting for my A cam, the SCARLET-X "ULISSE". So I'm not scared using other brand cameras with different technologies and pros and cons. Different tools for differnt jobs. But I'm sure SCARLET will be still here in 5 years, thinking 'bout dragon upgrade etc, something impossible in other cameras but firmware upgrade. Also, if U are professional, once U've worked with RAW, U'll stay forever with it...
At least - about someone who boughts a camera like scarlet for a HD purpouse - I think if someone doesn't make cinema footage right now, It could happen in his future, so He is ready for the future with a camera like scarlet ready for it...
U have to think big, before becoming big...