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Sandisk Extreme pro qualify on RED ONE by new firmware ?

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nicolas de chateau thierry

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Did you think we can imagine the Extreme Pro CF card sandisk (32Go or 64 Go) can be work in 4K on Red One ?
Red team can you imagine qualify This type of CF card in a new firmware ?
It was great for red One Users !! ;)

Thanks ;)
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Don't spend the money or open the box on that one. You need to use RED CF cards if you are going to go 4K. They are built to spec for 4K.
 
4k need speed, so the extreme pro from san disk up to 90 mega byte / sec !
I think it is speed enough, if red team autorize this type of card, red one users can use his camera in safe mode (cf card) and a good economy ... 64go is arround 300 $ ... 32 minutes in 4 k ... Cool, no ?
 
nicolas de chateau thierry said:
4k need speed, so the extreme pro from san disk up to 90 mega byte / sec !
I think it is speed enough, if red team autorize this type of card, red one users can use his camera in safe mode (cf card) and a good economy ... 64go is arround 300 $ ... 32 minutes in 4 k ... Cool, no ?
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The cards aren't designed for the sustained writing rates of the RED ONE and can't handle 4K. So, no you can't use them no matter what it says on the box. They work fine in Canon's new cinema camera, but they can't work in a RED ONE.
 
You can use it on the new Canon C300 though.

I really wish RED had cheaper media, but I get why they don't. That said, does Scarlet-X really need SSD drives with the 180MB/sec write speeds that are required for the Epic? It seems like it should be possible to create a lot cheaper SSDs for the Scarlet-X, which maxes out at 55MB/sec.
 
Yes and No. The big selling point is that those who own Scarlet and buy into the RED media won't have to upgrade the media when they use EPIC or RED ONE and they can even make money renting out the media to those who use those cameras and need extra media when they aren't using it themselves. Everybody wins there. It would also be cost-prohibitive for them to offer low-end media because it would create all sorts of headaches in their processes and support mechanisms.
 
Why on earth would you spend good coin on a Red and then risk a shoot by nickel and diming yourself on cards? Makes little sense to me.

Good luck!
 
L. Langer said:
The cards aren't designed for the sustained writing rates of the RED ONE and can't handle 4K. So, no you can't use them no matter what it says on the box. They work fine in Canon's new cinema camera, but they can't work in a RED ONE.
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Do you have a link confirming this ?
 
L. Langer said:
The cards aren't designed for the sustained writing rates of the RED ONE and can't handle 4K. So, no you can't use them no matter what it says on the box. They work fine in Canon's new cinema camera, but they can't work in a RED ONE.
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Have you tested them to be sure of that? Unless you have, I wouldn't pontificate.

If they work in the C300 there's a good chance they'll work at at least 4k 24fps in RED ONE; 'up to' data rates mean bugger all in this business, as has been done to death in countless threads - but cards *designed and intended* for digital cinema applications, RED or not, stand a better chance of passing the 'zero dropped frames' test which screws most other so-called high-speed cards intended for stills work.

Mike
 
Mike 'Fireman' Ross said:
Have you tested them to be sure of that? Unless you have, I wouldn't pontificate.

If they work in the C300 there's a good chance they'll work at at least 4k 24fps in RED ONE; 'up to' data rates mean bugger all in this business, as has been done to death in countless threads - but cards *designed and intended* for digital cinema applications, RED or not, stand a better chance of passing the 'zero dropped frames' test which screws most other so-called high-speed cards intended for stills work.

Mike
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Mike, it was confirmed a few years back that the current Extreme Pro cards won't do 4K on the RED ONE and they haven't actually changed the design of the card's internals in that time except for bumping the speed for the 128GB, which only applies to writing photos. Some 2K is the most you can squeeze from those cards if the camera's firmware will accept it. Nobody has tested them in Scarlet outside of RED so I can't say anything about that. As for why the cards work in the C300, it's simply because they were designed to be fully compatible with the XF-series which the C300 is based on, and the two cameras have identical performance requirements. Hardly a revelation, but that's how Canon designs their products. Unless the Canon 4K DSLR prototype uses the current design of CF cards, which isn't likely given the push to move to a PCI-E-based CF design, there won't be any 4K capable CF cards coming out of Sandisk's labs anytime soon.
 
The SanDisk Extreme Pro cards are slower than snail poop when under load. I've tested them extensively. Very, very erratic and inconsistent too. I still have a handful of them 32GB and 64GB and they're the cards I primarily use with my DSLRs that take CF.

Comparing to the Canon C300 is silly anyway.. C300 has a top record bit-rate of 50Mbps. That is Megabits per second. The Scarlet tops out at about 55MB/s. That is Megabytes per second. In other words, Scarlet needs media that can sustain data rates nearly 9X faster than what the C300 requires.

It's doubtful that RED is going to approve any more CF cards, ever. Nothing on the market can sustain the necessary speeds consistently and under strain in a variety of conditions. Let alone do it repeatedly for hundreds, preferably thousands, of write cycles. And don't expect them to approve any media that is only partially good enough. Jarred already said in another discussion on the SSD media that they explored the possibility of some slower media. But that just seems nuts for them to approve media that can't fully support all the current modes on their cameras. It was already bad enough with the limitations of the 8GB cards in the past. And while the media seems "expensive", the RED SSD mags (especially the 256GB, even more so in 4-pack form) still have lower $$/GB ratios than either P2 or SxS Pro media. Ponder that one...
 
not these threads again... SIGH...

People... trying to SKIMP on media. where all your hard work ends up... think about it... is INSANE! Spend all your $ on media and RENT THE CAMERA!

I cant for the life of me understand this mentality... because if your media craps... your shoot is GONE! FOREVER! Buy RED MEDIA and NEVER WORRY AGAIN!

Mods I vote for closing these (OH SHIT ITS RED ONE 2009 ALL OVER AGAIN) threads ASAP

EDIT: Jeff, you could just CLOSE THE THREADS like this after cutting and pasting one of your 1000 posts addressing this.

RED does this not for PROFIT.. but to ENSURE that the QUALITY IS THE UTMOST. They cannot afford to let some 3rd party taint their rep.
 
Don't see the reason to get that excited, Tim. Technology has evolved since 2009.

Skimping might have been the case few years ago at a hundred bucks difference. Doesn't look like it in this case though, at three times more expensive storage option, designed to support 6 times higher data rates. If Red One records "up to" 42 MB/s and storage manufacturers now claim "up to" 100 MB/s, the option and people asking seems pretty logical. Especially if you can take the CF and offload it almost anywhere.
 
simply put guys, and i've mentioned it before. your average pro res recorder that goes to cf cards, REQUIRES as 90 megaBYTE a second card to be able to sustain 22 megaBYTES a second pro res hq. any slower and you are 100% guaranteed to drop frames. you need almost 5x the overhead on the company "rated" card to sustain that level of bandwidth. to sustain a 55 megaBYTE a second signal on a Scarlet, under these conditions, you'd need a cf card that is rated for over 500 megaBYTES a second to maintain that bandwidth. see why RED abandoned CF cards? to say they can make better sustained CF cards is a mute point. if they could right here right now, it would exist. it doesn't, SSD's are the way to go plain and simple. save the pennies, it's worth every bit. reliability and offload times have never been better. seriously.
 
Tom.Wong said:
simply put guys, and i've mentioned it before. your average pro res recorder that goes to cf cards, REQUIRES as 90 megaBYTE a second card to be able to sustain 22 megaBYTES a second pro res hq. any slower and you are 100% guaranteed to drop frames. you need almost 5x the overhead on the company "rated" card to sustain that level of bandwidth. to sustain a 55 megaBYTE a second signal on a Scarlet, under these conditions, you'd need a cf card that is rated for over 500 megaBYTES a second to maintain that bandwidth.
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Prores HQ is roughly 28 MB/s.
We shot 36 MB/s Redcode three years ago on 300X CF rated 45 MB/s, without problems.
Thread is about Red One compatibility, not Scarlet.
 
RED can not and will not risk their clients loosing data because of other manufacturers cards failed sustained data rate. It will hurt the RED brand, and there is NO GO! buy RED branded media, end of discussion! ;-) BTW: this discussion has been up many many times for the past 4 years, and there is no movement in favour of those willing to risk data integrity for a lower media price, and I am sure it will remain that way!
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
And while the media seems "expensive", the RED SSD mags (especially the 256GB, even more so in 4-pack form) still have lower $$/GB ratios than either P2 or SxS Pro media. Ponder that one...
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I'm not disagreeing with the fact that SSDs are the way to go - I just want to point out that I've seen this statement made numerous times on the site and it's not exactly true.

64gb P2 cards cost roughly $630, a few hundred less than a 64gb REDmag.
And the 64gb SXS cards I used most recently cost roughly $750, just a bit cheaper than a 64gb REDmag if bought in a 4 pack.

Sure - if we do the math on price per gb for the larger cards then yes, the cost comes down per gb.
But even then the REDmags cost more per GB than both P2 and SXS (and I think they SHOULD, given the faster speed).

The 64gb REDmags come out to $14.84 a GB.
The 128gb REDmags come out to $14.06 a GB.
The 256gb REDmags come out to $12.50 a GB.

A 64GB P2 card comes out to $9.84 per GB
A 64GB SXS card comes out to $11.72 per GB

Now obviously REDmags need to be faster, so it makes sense they cost a little more - they SHOULD cost more.

I'm not advocating for cheaper media or anything else. Given the other media in the market the price of REDmags seems fair by comparison.
I just keep seeing the cost per gb comparison made to P2 and SXS cards, and while it's close... it's generally not cheaper.


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I just realized the cost per GB of a 4 pack of 256 REDmags comes out to $9.72
So that seems to be the only way the cost can be made cheaper than P2 and SXS.

Again, I think it's impressive that the costs are so close... and yes, it seems there is one way to make it cheaper per GB.
But that only holds true if you invest $10K in the 4 pack of 256gb mags.

The 4 pack of 64gb mags comes out to $12.69 per GB
 
Eirik Tyrihjel said:
RED can not and will not risk their clients loosing data because of other manufacturers cards failed sustained data rate. It will hurt the RED brand, and there is NO GO! buy RED branded media, end of discussion! ;-) BTW: this discussion has been up many many times for the past 4 years, and there is no movement in favour of those willing to risk data integrity for a lower media price, and I am sure it will remain that way!
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Completely agreeing on that point, Eirik, but the point of this thread seemed as simple checking if 2011 CF models with double rated speeds are a viable, no data integrity risk option for Red One. Today, not 4 years ago. Tech evolves in 4 years and Red One data rate didn't rise past 42.

I don't see a reason not to check the current storage support status occasionally, even on the yearly basis, if the CF slot is still there. CF support was one of Red One's market advantages when it came out, not just because of price but wide spread compatibility as well. It seems logical that folks are interested in using the advantage of the device purchased if they can, and not throwing it away.
 
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