The death of Red One

[Chris Puerstl]

With the new announcement of the Scarlet and it being described as Epic's little sister, does that mean this is the end of an era for the Red One? Starting with the quality of Scarlet the 4k resolution is impressive and with the same compression ratio's as the Epic, Yes I know the Scarlet has only a 2/3rds sensor. But keep in mind that it is a Mysterium-X sensor.

If most productions are shot at 24FPS and 90% of it is mastered to 1080p and the other 10% to 2K then is Scarlet the new answer. An article that was published after the announcement read "If you compare a scene shot at 4k, 24fps on a Scarlet and on an Epic they would look the same"

The price is also something to note 1/2 the cost of a Red One and if the quality is the same as an Epic then is this the end of the Red One? Is the Scarlet good enough to shoot big TV commercials, TV shows, and feature films with a 2/3rds sensor? I was about to place an order for the Red One but with the Scarlet emerging is it better to go Scarlet then Red One?

I am interested to hear everyones opinions on this subject.

 

[Erik Franzén]

With the new announcement of the Scarlet and it being described as Epic's little sister, does that mean this is the end of an era for the Red One? Starting with the quality of Scarlet the 4k resolution is impressive and with the same compression ratio's as the Epic, Yes I know the Scarlet has only a 2/3rds sensor. But keep in mind that it is a Mysterium-X sensor.

If most productions are shot at 24FPS and 90% of it is mastered to 1080p and the other 10% to 2K then is Scarlet the new answer. An article that was published after the announcement read "If you compare a scene shot at 4k, 24fps on a Scarlet and on an Epic they would look the same"

The price is also something to note 1/2 the cost of a Red One and if the quality is the same as an Epic then is this the end of the Red One? Is the Scarlet good enough to shoot big TV commercials, TV shows, and feature films with a 2/3rds sensor? I was about to place an order for the Red One but with the Scarlet emerging is it better to go Scarlet then Red One?

I am interested to hear everyones opinions on this subject.

Uhh, hate to burst your bubble, but Scarlet is NOT 2/3rds anymore...

 

[David Battistella]

Hey Chris.

Say hi to your Dad for me (Willi, right?).
I hope he is well.
Buy EPIC. You will be happy.

The RED ONE will be around in the while for a bit, they just might stop selling them new, which makes sense as the company moves to this next phase......

KICK ASS WITH RAW MOTION CAPTURE.

RAW. DID I MENTION RAW>>>>


David


David

 

[Jeremy 0sbern]

With the new announcement of the Scarlet and it being described as Epic's little sister, does that mean this is the end of an era for the Red One? Starting with the quality of Scarlet the 4k resolution is impressive and with the same compression ratio's as the Epic, Yes I know the Scarlet has only a 2/3rds sensor. But keep in mind that it is a Mysterium-X sensor.

Short answer: no.

They all have a Mysterium-X sensor (none of them 2/3). The RED ONE has more ports, XLR inputs, countless accessories, a wider range of slow-mo capabilities, and is a proven workhorse of a camera. It really does belong between Epic and Scarlet price-wise.

 

[Peter Dmitriyev]

I posted this in another thread


yes the Red MX seems to have been literally killed off over night by the Scarlet. Scarlet-x has higher data rates, higher dynamic range, future hdrx @ 24fps functionality via free firmware upgrade, better signal to noise ratio presumably that means better ISO/low light performance, and obviously better form factor / functionality as it has the body of the epic. The ONLY thing Red MX has over it is 4.5k versus 4k resolution which is pretty much insignificant and unnoticeable to anyone even trained eyes, and 120fps @2k whereas scarlet has 120fps @1k only.

I definitely can see Red MX packages dropping over night to ungodly levels. They ALREADY are. As we speak there's several 17 - 18k$ full Red MX packages on sale here and I doubt anyone will sell them...some even say OBO that means probably willing to accept much lower, and that's for a FULL PACKAGE with 30-35k$ worth of stuff. The R1 MX body alone probably just depreciated to about 10k or less overnight. It's crazy.


and p.s. Chris, the Scarlet is NOT 2/3 sensor. It is full s35 sensor

 

[Peter Dmitriyev]

Short answer: no.

They all have a Mysterium-X sensor (none of them 2/3). The RED ONE has more ports, XLR inputs, countless accessories, a wider range of slow-mo capabilities, and is a proven workhorse of a camera. It really does belong between Epic and Scarlet price-wise.

I'm curious how you figure this? The Red One has ONE more slow mo capability, 120fps @2k, that's it. The rest it is identical I believe, such as 3k @48fps etc. EVery other conceivable factor the Scarlet overshadows the Red, such as higher data rates, higher dynamic range, better signal to noise ratio (lowlight and ISO performance), etc.

 

[Jeremy 0sbern]

RED ONE is 60fps at 3K, 120fps at 2K... that's pretty significant, and still way better than Canon's offering in a 4 year old camera.

 

[Stephen Pruitt]

Ah, sorry to have to correct you, Peter, but the Scarlet, the Epic and the RED One M-X have identical signal to noise ratios. In addition, you are wrong on the slo-mo capabilities, as well. The RED One does 60fps at 3K. (I see my friend Mr. Osbern already caught that one.)

Will the RED One fll in price as a result of the Scarlet announcement? Absolutely. But will it remain a viable camera for extremely high-quality work? Absolutely!

Honestly, between a stripped-down Scarlet at $15K and fully-loaded RED One M-X at $15K, I'd go with the latter.

Stephen

 

[Sergio Perez]

If I had a Red One I wouldn't be concerned at all. Its not even about the question it shoots different frame rates at 3K or 2K- I hope Scarlet will match those in the future- but because the Red One shoots with the same sensor as both the Epic and the Scarlet. Your sensor is up to date! It obviously wouldn't make much sense buying a Red One now (mainly because of its drawback because of size, boot up time, weight) but for current red One owners, you have a camera approved by the BBC, used by recent, IMAX distributed films (Contagion) and its image quality will stay the same even after the Scarlet announcement. Its a camera that is as current as it gets, only being surpassed by the Epic. That doesn't sound dead at all to me...

Also, for a 4 years old camera, its proving to be one heck of a value for money, and by looking at the competition, it still has more 4 years to go until it truly becomes obsolete...

Also, current Red One MX owners, you probably have a full, complete working system right now: you have playback, batteries, media, workflow, everything solid and ready to shoot. Scarlet users will start from Zero. To get to your level- grips, modules, computer power, etc. You're looking at probably above 20K investments. This price seems to me absolutely fair for a camera that is coming 4 years after the Red One with similar features.

All in all, great times for everyone. And Red One users get the chance to exchange their cameras for Epics, or a big discount for them. Talk about a great deal!

 

[L. Langer]

I saw yesterday that someone at the event tweeted that Jim said the RED One was nearing EOL (End Of Life), so they probably won't be making them for much longer, though he did say some time ago that they will continue supporting the camera. That is definitely piece of mind as far as I'm concerned since the camera is a proven product and relatively reliable at this point.

 

[Peter Dmitriyev]

Ah, sorry to have to correct you, Peter, but the Scarlet, the Epic and the RED One M-X have identical signal to noise ratios. In addition, you are wrong on the slo-mo capabilities, as well. The RED One does 60fps at 3K. (I see my friend Mr. Osbern already caught that one.)

Will the RED One fll in price as a result of the Scarlet announcement? Absolutely. But will it remain a viable camera for extremely high-quality work? Absolutely!

Honestly, between a stripped-down Scarlet at $15K and fully-loaded RED One M-X at $15K, I'd go with the latter.

Stephen

I'm not sure if you're correct on the first count Stephen. I remember vividly the Epic being touted upon release as having better S/N ratios i.e. lower noise floors etc than the R1 MX, not by much mind you, but better. Secondly, 3k at 60fps is not that huge of a difference from 48fps, at least not different enough to warrant $15,000 in price differential.

Point is for people not super concerned about frame rates, but just wanting a good cinema package that shoots the highest possible quality 24fps, then Scarlet seems to me a far more powerful choice than R1 MX at nearly 1/3 of the price.

 

[Chris Santucci]

Man. It'd be really nice if Red would help a brotha out with some form of trade in dealio of Red One. I probably just lost 5 grand in value on the used Red One I bought 3 months ago due to the Scarlet-X. I love the thing, don't get me wrong, and I can still use cheap CF cards and Red drives, but... man!