Scarlet "II" - For those of us in the dark.

[Kalani Prince]

- Never have I been so excited about a product release. Finally something built without planned obsolescence in mind.
- Never have I ridden the hype roller coaster this long. Uggggh, stomach is getting queasy..
- Never before have these specs in an image making device been available to the masses of humanity. This native is getting restless.

I have successfully tricked my brain into believing that Scarlet 1.0 was actually released in 2009 but I didn't have the money to get one. Tricking the brain into believing Scarlet "II" is a totally different camera is pretty cool as it sets your mind at ease and re-excites the synapses.. Plus it doesn't make the wait seem nearly as long.. Which seems really long in retrospect ( my son was a babbling 2yr old on my lap when I was getting initially excited about Scarlet, now he's riding a motorcycle ) Time fly's....

Can't wait to own a Scarlet "II"...

 

[Perry Wilson]

your weird lmao... But alas I too cannot wait to own said "Scarlet II" lol

 

[Kalani Prince]

your weird lmao... But alas I too cannot wait to own said "Scarlet II" lol

agree'd, uber weird ;-) but still..., kinda feels like a new cam now doesn't it?

 

[Eston Diaz]

LMAO! Amen! Clearly you are from Maui!!

 

[Eric Lange]

I am in the dark and can’t keep up…

As it is I seem to spend too much time on Reduser getting sucked into to pretty amazing teasers (from Jim) and superb dialog with some great folks that hang out or post here. [Actually I only tend to post/interact when I’m sick and or have a huge migraine, (which probably explains the tone in a lot of my posts!].

I’m interested in the idea of an EPIC-s (with removable lenses), (mount agnostic as we build something else).

Could some kind soul point me to the most credible (current) speculative specs for the EPIC-s?

Very humbly,

Eric

There’s so much going on that it’s hard to keep all the little fragments and even bigger pieces straight?

 

[Perry Wilson]

agree'd, uber weird ;-) but still..., kinda feels like a new cam now doesn't it?

it kind of does, its been what 3 years now since the scarlet announcement? I was in my senior year in highschool, when i first started following it... now im graduated from college, working, shooting... scarlets has changed as much as I have...

 

[Jeffrey Loewe]

I can see where you're going Kalani, and I've kind of approached it the same way, except I've said to myself, hey this is the Camera i'm going to use for everything, and looking at it like a marriage haha. Lots of planning, lots of time, and you want everything to be dialed and right. The wait is a big frustration, probably even more to the RED team itself than the actual consumer.

I guess the way I see it is JVC is out in the open about there 4K camera, targeted around the price of a fs100. Again they're saying as RED did, nothing is final, nothing is set. But this is where RED has to win the war and come out with something even better. JVC and other companies will probably use SDHC media in there cameras, MUCH cheaper than SSD. And your getting everything in the camera itself, sure it's not module like a Scarlet/Epic, but we're going to be spending much more. RED is better in my eyes, even if I have to spend closer to 11-12K to get the camera full functional. But will the consumer see it that way? This is where the challenge lies. 5 years ago I would've said I want the most affordable HD option. For me the FX1 was better than the HVX200. In Post they looked nearly the same to me...

When your talking about 3K/4K cameras and the general camera buyer, especially new, the concept of Modular, and other features such as RAW might not mean as much. They're going to see 3K vs 4K, and the cost. I think RED has proven they can win all these wars, I think they will again, but everyone is digging into the trenches for this market, I wouldn't say JVC is a real threat to those dedicated to waiting for the SCARLET but the normal film student will see the resolution and cost. I did at that point too. I looked at the HVX200 and said well I gotta spend 800 bucks for a 16 GB P2 card? Really? I stayed with the FX1, and bought a second one after my first died. To this day I still think I could do more with that camera, minus audio then I ever did with the HVX i finally owned. While I think the Scarlet will be much better than the JVC 4K camera, there is still that concept and some might see it the way I did.

Sorry for the rant on this, just something I've been thinking about. I think the general consumer is the biggest battle RED has in the sub 10-15K market. The best thing they have going for them...all the movies being shot on RED. I think we're in for changes, hopefully 4K as that has been the only thing I've been really keen on for getting a Scarlet, still would if it was 3K, but everyone else seems to be skipping that right over, and maybe RED will as well. The general person will read about the workflow of .r3d's where JVC seems really focused on making sure you can entirely skip that step in post which is a smart selling point. RED rocket cards are insanely expensive to. I'm sure they hold there value, but it is just another price that racks up on the bill when looking at costs. I won't be getting one until I can earn enough off the camera I plan on getting some day...I use Imacs for cost purposes and the RedRocket in the thunderbolt enclosure gets me excited, but still a hefty bill.

Maybe RED wants to only grab the market that wants to shoot with RAW. They're passionate, and want the best product out there, so I'm pretty sure they want to sell it to anyone who will wants to pay for it. Again I could be wrong and would understand why they wouldn't want it in everyone's hands. But the competition is there, not so much in technology, but in markets. All in all I think there may be other companies trying to do something similar...get 2k/4k in cameras priced in the FS100 range, maybe RED, JVC and others know this and are hunkering down to wait for what comes out to capitalize the market, understandable. I think RED would really be on top of the market if they release it soon though. It's been hyped for so long, that people will simply buy it out of excitement. There will no doubt be a ton out there. They like challenge and they like the "war" so maybe they want to release it in the middle of the pack and triumph.

I'm just rooting for them to win the war! I was in the ARMY its alot of "hurry up, and wait". Which is going on here. Hurry up, get the tech and knowledge out, then wait until the right moment. Sorry I know it's not to relevant, but I think this is a big reason they're kind of waiting and holding off, other than trying to push the Epic X out the door. I really think they want to see what others have planned and how best to make it sell to the crowd they want to hit the Scarlet with. Maybe I'm wrong, just had to get it off my mind.

 

[Eric Lange]

I am in the dark and can’t keep up…

As it is I seem to spend too much time on Reduser getting sucked into to pretty amazing teasers (from Jim) and superb dialog with some great folks that hang out or post here. [Actually I only tend to post/interact when I’m sick and or have a huge migraine, (which probably explains the tone in a lot of my posts!].

I’m interested in the idea of an EPIC-s (with removable lenses), (mount agnostic as we build something else).


Could some kind soul point me to the most credible (current) speculative specs for the EPIC-s?

Very humbly,

Eric

There’s so much going on that it’s hard to keep all the little fragments and even bigger pieces straight?

After poking around a bit I see now that the question was lame. I have to admit given that almost every new process and device that RED is wanting to release has an impact on us… I am starting to reach speculation overload, or product speculation poisoning.

Cheers,

Eric

 

[Jason Ramsey]

I am ready for Scarlet... gonna be more popular than a lot of people realize, I think... once it gets out there in some capable hands.

 

[Eric Rodemann]

- Never have I been so excited about a product release. Finally something built without planned obsolescence in mind.
- Never have I ridden the hype roller coaster this long. Uggggh, stomach is getting queasy..
- Never before have these specs in an image making device been available to the masses of humanity. This native is getting restless.

I have successfully tricked my brain into believing that Scarlet 1.0 was actually released in 2009 but I didn't have the money to get one. Tricking the brain into believing Scarlet "II" is a totally different camera is pretty cool as it sets your mind at ease and re-excites the synapses.. Plus it doesn't make the wait seem nearly as long.. Which seems really long in retrospect ( my son was a babbling 2yr old on my lap when I was getting initially excited about Scarlet, now he's riding a motorcycle ) Time fly's....

Can't wait to own a Scarlet "II"...

What is it you are making when you get your Scarlet II?

A feature, short films, music videos, commercials, industrials, documentaries, sports videos, something else? If all of those which one do you want to make most with your Scarlet II?

 

[Kalani Prince]

What is it you are making when you get your Scarlet II?

A feature, short films, music videos, commercials, industrials, documentaries, sports videos, something else? If all of those which one do you want to make most with your Scarlet II?

Going to make a movie about my coming of age years. "Jungle Boys" is the working title : )

 

[Eston Diaz]

What is it you are making when you get your Scarlet II?

A feature, short films, music videos, commercials, industrials, documentaries, sports videos, something else? If all of those which one do you want to make most with your Scarlet II?

3 Features Lined up. 2 Action Adventure Crime Dramas and A high concept Drama.

Also a documentary about my family spanning 4 generations, but thats just for my family.

The fun thing about the documentary, I have Super 8 footage that will be utilized and the contrast of that footage with the Scarlet footage will support the narrative of spanning time with the not so subtle use of technological advancement.

 

[Perry Wilson]

well had I gotten scarlet I it would have already shot abut 10 short films... if Scarlet II comes out before september then it will be shooting "The Moment Of Truth" a full lenght indie, and also about 10 shorts and short shorts we have lined up... Just finished shooting my Sundance Submission on 2 7D's wish it could have been done on Scarlet...

 

[Paramon Ivanovich]

that would be Scarlet IV for me,
before I started to follow Scarlet i was upgrading my cameras every year, but since 2007 I shoot with EX1, and every Christmas my wife tells me: 'Don't be upset honey, you'll get it next year'

 

[Wayne Morellini]

- Never have I been so excited about a product release. Finally something built without planned obsolescence..
Can't wait to own a Scarlet "II"...

Kakani, have a thread on it to track it:

www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?61550-Scarlet-2-Bored-2.0-)

There is no scarlet 2 yet, but the present scarlet seems to be undergoing changes instead.

As for no planned obsolescence, as far as I know there is no upgradable internals for Scarlet, unlike the other cameras. If you want a higher resolution. you will probably have to buy a newer one.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

I am in the dark and can’t keep up…

As it is I seem to spend too much time on Reduser getting sucked into to pretty amazing teasers (from Jim) and superb dialog with some great folks that hang out or post here. [Actually I only tend to post/interact when I’m sick and or have a huge migraine, (which probably explains the tone in a lot of my posts!].

I’m interested in the idea of an EPIC-s (with removable lenses), (mount agnostic as we build something else).

Could some kind soul point me to the most credible (current) speculative specs for the EPIC-s?

Very humbly,

Eric

There’s so much going on that it’s hard to keep all the little fragments and even bigger pieces straight?

5k low frame rate the only time I saw anything, just don't know what they are doing now.

The teasers and delays have been going on for too long for people. They say they will say nothing until it is ready but then say something but no announcement. People are becoming pretty frantic, hyperbole in response now, a bad sign they are starting to run out of steam and on enthusiasm short term.

@ red members at large

I remember the main antagonist over at the old projects started ranting about how committed he was and would never give up just before he dissapeared. Sucked a lot if people along with him. I didn't promise anything because I knew what I was talking about, that I knew I didn't know enough and would have to spend a lot of time retraining myself with modern systems, and knew the difficulty of doing such a camera system. People here don't know much about these things and get overly enthusiastic, fanboy like, about it, where as to people like me, we do have an idea. and it is significant but interesting to us, dispassionately. It is like I, and maybe some others, do not have as much camera experience, have not seen, know and done it all in the filming field, and are a bit enthusiastic about that, while seasoned regulars find it interesting but are dispassionate about it.

So, reference previouse paragraph, in defence of the many foreign members that seem overly enthusiastic, even "weird" in their posts: Remember, wherever they might come from, this might all be a bit new to them. It might even be unusual to do filming or video production in their area, and these cameras might be considered very high quality, a real step up in the industry. They may come from a poorer region with little practice of work, where a Sony Z1 might be considered a luxury item, that a basic scarlet might be a great cost to be borrowed for, if not a year's wages or so, and earnings from work low enough to make consumer cameras look expensive so that complacent objections by knuckle heads around the place about how cheap to buy this or that, cameras while you wait, getting more expensive versions, are antagonistic to them. Then you take into account trying to translate their foreign version of local enthusiasm into one of the more difficult languages, English, it can come out a bit funny in English.

 

[Aaron McAdam]

Kakani, have a thread on it to track it:

www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?61550-Scarlet-2-Bored-2.0-)

There is no scarlet 2 yet, but the present scarlet seems to be undergoing changes instead.

As for no planned obsolescence, as far as I know there is no upgradable internals for Scarlet, unlike the other cameras. If you want a higher resolution. you will probably have to buy a newer one.

I think Kalani is referencing the current Scarlet as the "Scarlet II" I also remember reading, and getting psyched about the first rumblings of the "pocket cam" that would be called "Scarlet" and it went through a change (both in design and functionality, was it the Nov 2009 announcement?) which gave us round 2 of Scarlet. Which went through some changes and then became locked down and ready to go.

But, the speculator inside of me likes to think we'll actually get "Scarlet III." With Jim's posts about 1080p being a mistake and 4k being it, I have a hard time believing he'd be ok with "almost there" (aka 3k).

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Aaron, I guessed that probably was the case, still scarlet 1 (potentially) as it would be first to be released. I can do a professional pocket camera for $100, so they'd better hurry up . By this time next year I could probably do a professional shd camera for $500, nowhere as good as a scarlet, but you get the drift, why waiting around fir others to catch up is not good.

 

[Erik Bien]

I look forward to the day I can snipe a lightly-used Scarlet off ebay from someone who has convinced themselves 2/3-inch 3K RAW at 120fps "just isn't good enough." :rolleyes5:

 

[Ash Worth]

Scarlet will have to compete with the new s35 camera from canon set to be released later this year. 4k for around 15k. had red released the scarlet when they said they would it would have dominated the market but now it will just be another decent camera. the more serious dslr users will migrate to the canon for obvious reasons. and before yall start yelling about RAW very, very few need it. a flavor of pro res is suitable for 99% of projects around here. the workflow issues are just too great for RAW right now.