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Everything you wanted to know about the EPIC Canon Mount

Jarred Land

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I have received a ton of questions through email over the last couple weeks on the Canon mount. Thought a thread was fitting.

First of all.. Let me introduce he first production Titanium Canon EOS mount that just came off the line today, along with the new lens caps:

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-These will start to ship to customers on September 9th.

-Deposits will open on RED.COM in the store in the next couple days. Price for the smart Titanium Canon mount is $2000.

- The Titanium mounts are all machined out of solid Titanium.

-Current EPIC builds all support Iris control over the mount. An early AF build will be released around the time when the mounts ship. This will include basic touchscreen autofocus.

-After release You don't need separate builds for different mounts.. AF support for Canon and Nikon etc. will all be integrated into the " normal " EPIC builds, so you can switch from PL to Canon mount to Nikon mount all with the same camera build.

- Speaking of switching, it is a field safe procedure ( in a clean area ) and literally involves unscrewing 4 bolts and swapping mounts.. Then check back focus ( if needed )

- The Canon lens mount is "SMART" which means it controls camera Iris, Image Stabilization, and Autofocus electronically, via the various control options with EPIC ( touch screen, side handle, REDMOTE )

- A lot of people have emailed about the nature of Canon lenses sometimes being loose in their mounts on their DSLRs. We have added a locking ( as you can see in the photo above ) so you bayonet the lens into the mount as normal, and then rotate the locking to double secure the lens. No more rotation, no more wobble :)

-All lens data available from the lens will be stored in the R3D metadata. There is on screen displays for iris stop, focal length ( including zooms ) and the current focus distance in inches or mm.


-Here is a list of Canon lenses that have been programed into the mount/ Epic Brain. These still need to be characterized for fine-tuned autofocus as they all have different motor speeds etc., but they are and will be functional out of the gate when the Canon mount ships.

Image Stabilization is functional on the entire stabilized lens lineup.

Canon EF 16-35/2.8L II USM
Canon EF 24-70/2.8L USM
Canon EF 70-200/2.8L IS USM
Canon EF 70-200/2.8L IS II USM
Canon EF 35/1.4L USM
Canon EF 50/1.2L USM
Canon EF 85/1.2L II USM
Canon EF 70-200mm 1:4 L USM
Canon 24-105mm 1:4 L IS USM
Canon 17-40mm 1:4 L USM
Canon EF 70-300mm 1:4.5 - 5.6 DO IS USM
Canon EF 100-400mm 1:4.5 - 5.6 IS USM
Canon EF 24mm f/2.8
Canon EF 35mm f/2
Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM
Canon EF-S 10-22/3.5-4.5 USM AF (APS-C)
Canon EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS USM AF (APS-C)
Canon EF-S 60/2.8 Macro USM AF (APS-C)
Canon EF 200/2.8L II USM AF
Canon EF 28-300mm 1:3.5 - 5.6 L IS USM
Canon EF 180/3.5L Macro USM AF
Canon EF 300/2.8L IS USM AF
Canon EF 135/2.0L USM AF
Canon EF 300/4.0L IS USM AF
Canon EF 400/5.6L USM AF
Canon EF 100/2.8L Macro IS USM AF
Canon EF 400/2.8L IS USM AF
Canon EF 35/1.4L USM AF
Canon EF 50/1.2L USM AF
Canon EF 500/4.0L IS USM AF
Canon EF 600/4.0L IS USM AF
Canon EF 85/1.8 USM AF
Canon EF 100/2.0 USM AF
Canon EF 135/2.8 AF SF (Soft Focus)
Canon EF 200/2.0L IS USM AF
Canon EF 400/4.0DO IS USM AF
Canon EF 14/2.8L II USM AF
Canon EF 24/1.4L II USM AF
Canon EF 15/2.8 Fisheye AF
Canon EF 20/2.8 USM AF
Canon EF 28/1.8 USM AF
Canon EF 28/2.8 AF
Canon EF 50/2.5 Compact-Macro AF
Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS
Canon 50/1.4 EX DG HSM AF
Canon 85/1.4 EX DG HSM AF
Canon 20/1.8 EX DG ASP RF AF
Canon 24/1.8 EX DG ASP Macro AF
Canon 28/1.8 EX DG ASP Macro AF

+ a few 3rd party lenses. More lenses being added weekly.

If your lens is not on the list, it's ok, you still will get rudimentary support, such as IRIS control and Stabilization if the lens has it.


I will add things to this list as questions come up.. so ask away.
 
First off. All of this is very cool!
Congratulations

OK. I'm changing my question.

Jarred Land said:
-All lens data available from the lens will be stored in the R3D metadata. There is on screen displays for iris stop, focal length ( including zooms ) and the current focus distance in inches or mm.
I will add things to this list as questions come up.. so ask away.
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I think that this is a very important and powerful feature.


Is the metadata accessed through RC-X?
Can an XML of the metadata be exported?

Thanks,

David
 
Fantastic, can't wait.

Will the touch screen autofocus be working right out the gate?

Thanks,
Richard

Jarred Land said:
-These will start to ship to customers on September 9th.

-Deposits will open on RED.COM in the store in the next couple days. Price for the smart Titanium Canon mount is $2000.
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Wow

Wow

I believe this ability of a cinema/television camera to take advantage of high quality lightweight electronic still lenses can be a game changer. Opening up a whole range of new possibilities to doco and TV production. Certainly won't be replacing quality PL glass on drama and high end TVC but for alot of production this will be the way to go. I'll be buying one.

I understand the value of AF in finding focus and possibly tracking a subject just as you would on a DSLR but as the system stands can you control the lens with an "external" control as you would with a remote follow focus? Will this require a third party device or is this what the Redmote Pro does?
 
Tom Gleeson said:
I believe this ability of a cinema/television camera to take advantage of high quality lightweight electronic still lenses can be a game changer. Opening up a whole range of new possibilities to doco and TV production. Certainly won't be replacing quality PL glass on drama and high end TVC but for alot of production this will be the way to go. I'll be buying one.

I understand the value of AF in finding focus and possibly tracking a subject just as you would on a DSLR but as the system stands can you control the lens with an "external" control as you would with a remote follow focus? Will this require a third party device or is this what the Redmote Pro does?
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both REDMOTES will " Manually " control focus.. the REDMOTE PRO uses a proper focus knob.. the REDMOTE you use the scroll wheel that surrounds the NAV.
 
Jarred!

Have you tried doing stereo with two Epics with Canon lenses slaved to one REDMOTE? Do they stay in sync? Any way to compensate for drift or lens discrepancies with REDMOTE / REDMOTE PRO (or some kind of protocol that is open to 3rd parties?).

Or better for us to wait for Red Electronic lenses?

To me either Canon, Nikon or Red Electronic lenses sounds like the low-cost, lightweight high quality stereo dream system IF they work without too many glitches.

Of course you'd still need a zoom controller, but having synced Focus and Iris taken care of eliminates a ton of motors, weight and expense...?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Bruce Allen said:
Jarred!

Have you tried doing stereo with two Epics with Canon lenses slaved to one REDMOTE? Do they stay in sync? Any way to compensate for drift or lens discrepancies with REDMOTE / REDMOTE PRO (or some kind of protocol that is open to 3rd parties?).

Or better for us to wait for Red Electronic lenses?

To me either Canon, Nikon or Red Electronic lenses sounds like the low-cost, lightweight high quality stereo dream system IF they work without too many glitches.

Of course you'd still need a zoom controller, but having synced Focus and Iris taken care of eliminates a ton of motors, weight and expense...?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
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Love the idea.. but I think that may be pushing these lenses a little too far past what they were intended to do :)
 
This is very exciting, I never thought I would even concider using still glass with my Epic, but with something like this and the ability to keep the rig very light, not to mention the affordable lenses available.... yes this is very exciting!
 
Jarred Land said:
- Speaking of switching, it is a field safe procedure ( in a clean area ) and literally involves unscrewing 4 bolts and swapping mounts.. Then check back focus ( if needed )
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Lets say check of back focus is needed (I would like to think that every mount change procedure will include a back focus check but leave it for now), how do we do it? Do we need to buy a Red Focus with Canon mount? Will there be an adapter to the Red Focus I have already have in PL mount? or is there any other way of checking the back focus?
 
One thing I'm not clear on, I know you can control iris, but does it do autoiris now? If not, in the future?

(Not critical out of the gate, just askin')
 
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