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Cooke Panchros vs Canon K35 ?

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Antoine Fabi

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Hi,

Did anyone compared the Panchros to the old K35 ?

Just curious...

Thanks

Antoine
 
k35s are older so a little softer. they're way smaller in size. they flare a lot easier. they're also T1.4

Panchros are bigger, 2.8 all around and sharper.. Not sure how many iris blades in the Cooke but the k35s have 12 of them.
 
Rick and other K35 Owners -- what are the weights of the K35 primes? I keep reading they are lighter than RPP's and others but by how much. That would be a big factor for me in buying a set.

I've seen a few clips of the K35's but not a ton -- where can one see some good footage shot on K35's? I love the night bike ride short shot on your set, Rick! What else is out there?
 
Wayyyy lighter than the RPPs, I believe 2 lb per lens or less. I'd have to check sometime when I have a scale.. I shot and directed this music video using my k35s and a Red MX.. The house party stuff where they are going crazy and dancing is a 5D and the hotel scene at the end is 5D as well.. They are creamy smooth and I love them!


 
i love the k35's really organic look, tiny, fast, decently sharp but in the end they are still technically rehoused FD lenses. so they still suffer certain drawbacks for being former still glass. focus mechanics, breathing, flaring, overall sharpness.


panchros are amazing, if you've seen a cooke s4 or s5. that's what it looks like, hands down. just that it can only open up to a 2.8 max. that's it. everything is cooke through and through. even perfectly sharp wide open, while k35's aren't so hot wide open...
 
False, k35s are NOT rehoused FD lenses.. I don't know where you heard that but they were designed from the ground up to be used on cinema cameras. They even won an Academy Award for their aspherical design
 
Rick Darge said:
False, k35s are NOT rehoused FD lenses.. I don't know where you heard that but they were designed from the ground up to be used on cinema cameras. They even won an Academy Award for their aspherical design
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interesting, was always told they were based off fd glass, don't they cover FF?
 
The 24-85 are full frame. The 18 is not. I thought they were rehoused when I first heard about them but was corrected by several lens techs. I think this is the biggest reason why my lenses hardly rent out, every one thinks they're still lenses. Only a few DPs that have used them truly understand how beautiful they are on a Red and those are the ones that keep calling me back ; ) To be honest, I'm glad they don't get rented out unless they come with me and my camera... They're too precious to replace if anything were to ever happen to them... FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!
 
I think K35s are not rehoused FDs,but I wouldn't care 1 cent if the K35s were rehoused, really.

FDs are wonderfull lenses.

Timur and Rick, you should make a little K35/Panchro comparo.

These are two wonderfull lense sets :)

They both have unparalleled color rendition. (no matter the white balance)

WHEN ???????

:)

Antoine
 
Rick Darge said:
Wayyyy lighter than the RPPs, I believe 2 lb per lens or less. I'd have to check sometime when I have a scale.. I shot and directed this music video using my k35s and a Red MX.. The house party stuff where they are going crazy and dancing is a 5D and the hotel scene at the end is 5D as well.. They are creamy smooth and I love them!


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That was great!
 
I'm a big glass head, but I don't know anything about photography lenses... anyone have a good informative link regarding these lenses? I'm on a phone right now, and searching is taking forever... Someone mentioned they were designed based on cinema lenses? It's strange i've never even heard of these... do they go by another name?

What is cinema about them? Declicked Iris? Correct focus rotation? Custom engraved focus marks on barrel? Tight color match criteria?

My interest is peaked.

-Ryan
 
Also, did you mean the new Cookes or Old?

The old are probably more like your K35's from what I can gather. Old panchro's are faster in aperture, are softer, flare much easier, and are lighter in weight and size. Sounds like what the K35's have been compared to when discussing NEW cooke panchroi's.
 
Ryan Patrick O'Hara said:
Also, did you mean the new Cookes or Old?

The old are probably more like your K35's from what I can gather. Old panchro's are faster in aperture, are softer, flare much easier, and are lighter in weight and size. Sounds like what the K35's have been compared to when discussing NEW cooke panchroi's.
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My question was about comparing old Canon K35s to new Cooke Panchros :)

Antoine
 
K35 Canon

K35 Canon

Thats what they look like.

Shot on K35's, the lens and the aperture is marked in every picture.
Shot on Red MX with available light when I got them, now I've had them converted to PL and I'm happy ever since.

It's true that they don't rent easily, DP's prefer RRP's, UP's, or Cooke for security.
 

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Rick Darge said:
The 24-85 are full frame. The 18 is not. I thought they were rehoused when I first heard about them but was corrected by several lens techs. I think this is the biggest reason why my lenses hardly rent out, every one thinks they're still lenses. Only a few DPs that have used them truly understand how beautiful they are on a Red and those are the ones that keep calling me back ; ) To be honest, I'm glad they don't get rented out unless they come with me and my camera... They're too precious to replace if anything were to ever happen to them... FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!
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In the 1980's they were very hot, however the lens markings are not very good when compared to modern lenses like Ultra Primes, Cooke S4's , Master Primes & New Pancros, so they will be difficult to rent. Of course 15 years ago nobody would want Zeiss Standards for the same reason.
 
http://vimeo.com/7882766

shot this two years ago and won Best Cinematography at the Kent Film Festival with those K-35s! I love the look of them, the Bokeh is gorgeous, the external focus is a bit of an issue for ACs, the lenses do not have similar fronts and the aperture ring is at the head of the lens which can be an issue with donuts (I know it was for me). There can be matching issues due to the fact that many of the lenses have yellowed some - my 35mm and 55mm were yellowed. I would not buy unless you could shoot them and see the color matching. Furthermore, I know there is an issue with parts so check on that too.....

However, I would shoot with them again this very moment...I sold my set to a friend for very little money, and I always dream about having them back....but he is a sneaky Romanian and tricked me (just kidding Romanians!). I think they're the kind of special lenses that DPs always kind of look for but don't know until they see it....they're particular and slightly lower contrast, snappy but soft......stunning in many ways....
 
Are definitely NOT rehoused still lenses.

The set they are probably most similar to would be Zeiss Superspeeds, which they probably outperform. The K35 prime lenses are very similar size to the Superspeeds. There is also a zoom lens, but it is not as sharp as the prime set.

Re: yellowing -- I'm pretty sure you can get rid of that by exposing the lenses to the right type of light. Google it and you'll find out how. I'm not 100% sure about it -- but if you own a lens that's a little yellowed I would certainly try it!!

There are two versions of the K35s -- the older version has the 55mm lens in the set, the newer version replaces that lens with a 50mm lens.

I'm not sure how hard it would be to maintain these lenses. If I owned a set and was having problems maintaining it I would contact Tony Covell (who is on this site a lot).

Regards,
P
 
Thanks much guys for your interest and good info.

now...if only i could compare those two lenses side by side...

Antoine
 
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