CS5.5 and RED/EPIC full disclosure

[David McGavran]

Hi Guys,

Dave here... I teased you last week because I couldn't talk fully then. Well we announced CS5.5 and I want to post a few of my thoughts on this board about how this helps the RED workflow. We try our best to keep you fully informed and I don't hide any info that I am ready to disclose so here it goes:

1. We added second system sound, this was asked for by all you guys. It works great and easy.
2. We fixed all known timecode issues with RED footage and audio sync.
3. We worked with RED on some stability fixes that should make everything better.
4. We added all the current color settings that you get in RED Cine.
5. We added histograms and a curve editor.
6. We significantly improved importing FCP import including work on making FCP red stuff import better.

Next we have an EPIC Labs release planned for really really soon after 5.5 hits the streets. This will have more stuff we couldn't get into 5.5.

1. EPIC support!
2. EPIC HDR support. (I will post more on the specifics of this later. I am working with the excellent guys at fxguide to make sure this works well)
3. Second head out of the red source settings dialog in PPro. So you can see your corrections on a second monitor.
4. On a big monitor you get bigger source settings.
5. You will have the option to respect camera metadata for flipping images. Although it will be faster on the timeline.

Whats up with Rocket?

We improved performance on Rocket in ppro. 4k full res no dropped frames using rocket on windows. A drop or two is still sometimes visible on the mac due to apple hardware/software issues. Epic footage plays in real time at half/res with 1 rocket. 2 rockets and it can play full res 5k in real time no dropped frames. This was demoed in the JMR booth.

Plus all the other great features in ppro and as always we made things faster, better and more stable.

This is all 5.5 based. So get it and and give us feedback. I want all RED movies edited in PPro and Effects editing done in AE. We are listening to your feedback and incorporating it where we can and as fast as we can so keep up the suggestions.

I am now working directly on the ppro team so I will be gathering all the notes you guys have posted in this forum and bringing that directly into our planning.

Cheers

Dave

 

[Stacey Spears]

David,

Thank you for the update. The new SCRATCH v6 supports importing FCP XML. How about working closely with ASSIMILATE to get PPro XML support added.

While I have CS5, I have not had a chance to use it yet. Does it support the NVIDIA SDI output?

 

[shashbugu]

This is the kind of news I've been waiting for. I'll wait till CS5.5 is released to give you some really positive feedback. Just to let you know fixing the sync issue and the FCP (Red stuff) import was really a priority especially for narrative work. The Adobe Audition Dynamic link is a feature I personally requested, since I do use Audition. However for the most jobs we don't really have to go out to Audition or want to go out. Premiere pro CS5 claims to have VST plugin support, but it does not work. Seriously not a single 64bit plugin has worked.--Please check this. If you've noticed most of us here have invested in BMD Resolve and we get a free upgrade. Since Adobe has big future plans in the grading department we can wait. In the mean time can you check to make sure our xml exports from PProcs5.5 make it into BMD, Smoke etc. We will all appreciate this.

 

[David McGavran]

David,

Thank you for the update. The new SCRATCH v6 supports importing FCP XML. How about working closely with ASSIMILATE to get PPro XML support added.

While I have CS5, I have not had a chance to use it yet. Does it support the NVIDIA SDI output?

Our field team has tested the SDI and is very happy with it. They use it with Rocket and red footage..

Cheers

Dave

 

[David McGavran]

This is the kind of news I've been waiting for. I'll wait till CS5.5 is released to give you some really positive feedback. Just to let you know fixing the sync issue and the FCP (Red stuff) import was really a priority especially for narrative work. The Adobe Audition Dynamic link is a feature I personally requested, since I do use Audition. However for the most jobs we don't really have to go out to Audition or want to go out. Premiere pro CS5 claims to have VST plugin support, but it does not work. Seriously not a single 64bit plugin has worked.--Please check this. If you've noticed most of us here have invested in BMD Resolve and we get a free upgrade. Since Adobe has big future plans in the grading department we can wait. In the mean time can you check to make sure our xml exports from PProcs5.5 make it into BMD, Smoke etc. We will all appreciate this.

Point me at a VST you want... I am not an audio guy but I think we support a specific VST level, but I will be figuring that our now in my new role. I met with the resolve guys at NAB and it looks like we should be able to integrate with them using FCP XML. They are getting us a copy to test with. We have a great relationship with BMD.

Cheers

Dave

 

[David McGavran]

David,

Thank you for the update. The new SCRATCH v6 supports importing FCP XML. How about working closely with ASSIMILATE to get PPro XML support added.

While I have CS5, I have not had a chance to use it yet. Does it support the NVIDIA SDI output?

FCP XML is probably a good way to go to get into scratch. 5.5's support is much better.

Cheers

Dave

 

[John Bellari]

Hi Guys,

Dave here... I teased you last week because I couldn't talk fully then. Well we announced CS5.5 and I want to post a few of my thoughts on this board about how this helps the RED workflow. We try our best to keep you fully informed and I don't hide any info that I am ready to disclose so here it goes:

1. We added second system sound, this was asked for by all you guys. It works great and easy.
2. We fixed all known timecode issues with RED footage and audio sync.
3. We worked with RED on some stability fixes that should make everything better.
4. We added all the current color settings that you get in RED Cine.
5. We added histograms and a curve editor.
6. We significantly improved importing FCP import including work on making FCP red stuff import better.

Next we have an EPIC Labs release planned for really really soon after 5.5 hits the streets. This will have more stuff we couldn't get into 5.5.

1. EPIC support!
2. EPIC HDR support. (I will post more on the specifics of this later. I am working with the excellent guys at fxguide to make sure this works well)
3. Second head out of the red source settings dialog in PPro. So you can see your corrections on a second monitor.
4. On a big monitor you get bigger source settings.
5. You will have the option to respect camera metadata for flipping images. Although it will be faster on the timeline.

Whats up with Rocket?

We improved performance on Rocket in ppro. 4k full res no dropped frames using rocket on windows. A drop or two is still sometimes visible on the mac due to apple hardware/software issues. Epic footage plays in real time at half/res with 1 rocket. 2 rockets and it can play full res 5k in real time no dropped frames. This was demoed in the JMR booth.

Plus all the other great features in ppro and as always we made things faster, better and more stable.

This is all 5.5 based. So get it and and give us feedback. I want all RED movies edited in PPro and Effects editing done in AE. We are listening to your feedback and incorporating it where we can and as fast as we can so keep up the suggestions.

I am now working directly on the ppro team so I will be gathering all the notes you guys have posted in this forum and bringing that directly into our planning.

Cheers

Dave

Hi David,

Why is 3D not important enough to be Native in 2011, and
not even on your list. How many 3D Red movies are in production in 2011?

At best Adobe is 2 releases away from even having native 3D editing!

This is the third release in a row now that I swore Adobe would make 3D editing native, yet
Adobe is content to let others handle 3D. Many pros are not fans of 3rd party solutions and
to ignore it for so long as to even have Sony Vegas surpass your company with native tools
for 3D editing and authoring to 3D Blu-Ray is disturbing. Adobe also does not have
native 7.1 audio support as well.

So right now in 2011, I can't do something as simple as author a 3D Blu-Ray using Adobe software
that plays on every set in Best Buy and Costco...

My biggest issue is many of us entertain using 2 Scarlet or 2 Epic in stereo rigs,
and would like to know since 3D is not native, when is the release date for
native 3D editing?

Respectfully,
John Bellari

 

[shashbugu]

FCP XML is probably a good way to go to get into scratch. 5.5's support is much better.

Cheers

Dave

You are my new best friend Dave. You guys are sneaky LOL, I just opened Ppro CS5 to paste the Error message it sends on Izotope RX, but it seems that it was updated on MArch 31'st and it works fine. I'll try Izotope Nectar as well. I'll let you know.

 

[David McGavran]

Hi David,

Why is 3D not important enough to be Native in 2011, and
not even on your list. How many 3D Red movies are in production in 2011?

At best Adobe is 2 releases away from even having native 3D editing!

This is the third release in a row now that I swore Adobe would make 3D editing native, yet
Adobe is content to let others handle 3D. Many pros are not fans of 3rd party solutions and
to ignore it for so long as to even have Sony Vegas surpass your company with native tools
for 3D editing and authoring to 3D Blu-Ray is disturbing. Adobe also does not have
native 7.1 audio support as well.

So right now in 2011, I can't do something as simple as author a 3D Blu-Ray using Adobe software
that plays on every set in Best Buy and Costco...

My biggest issue is many of us entertain using 2 Scarlet or 2 Epic in stereo rigs,
and would like to know since 3D is not native, when is the release date for
native 3D editing?

Respectfully,
John Bellari

Everything on that list is done now and shipping very very soon.... I didn't give any insight into our future plans. 3D is an interesting question... Cineform is a great partner and we work very closely with them to get 3D support in PPro. Are you unhappy with them because it doesn't work well or because it is expensive?

Cheers

Dave

 

[Sven Seynaeve]

Hi David, thx for all these stuff. it sounds incredible. Unfortunately have not seen it live but guess that will happen soon.

the sound sync is my favorit together with Epic support of course.

you were talking figures for the rockets, would it be hard to allow even more rockets being used , when you want to use the cineform plugin for a 3d editing workflow. Not sure , if I would have to convert to cineform raw ( probably we should), but I could think of other situations such as multicam Epic shoots, were it could be great if we didn't have to transcode at all to another codec , and still being able to do all corrections directly on the raw files.

 

[shashbugu]

David, since you are working closely with BMD, take a look at their new capture cards especially the 3G HD-sdi capture cards. As you know the new Red Epic will have output for 444 3G HD-SDI..... PPro Onlocation is the perfect recorder for this. Onlocation exists already........ hint hint..a few tweaks should'nt be too hard for you guys.

 

[Stephen Gentle]

Can you please explain why Adobe is charging for this update, and whether CS5 (the original version) will continue to receive updates?

 

[Elsie N]

David,

Is Adobe addressing the future ability to output files suitable for encoding for REDRAY via PP and/or AE?

 

[Chuck Z]

Is the 5.5 update free for CS5 users?

EDIT: Missed the posts above me.

 

[Maz Mawlawi]

Hi David,

You guys at Adobe rock. I enjoyed all the NAB Presentations and I'm looking forward to Epic support. I think it's great you are taking feedbacks from users and being active on this forum. We are starting production on a film next month and we're planning to use a virtually all Adobe solution for post production (editing and effects) I have a few questions; 1) Are there any plans to enable multiple gpu support to accelerate rendering even more for systems without Rockets (cuda 4.0 support). 2) any hope of allowing third party plugins to be written to access the mercury engine and thus increase their performance as well? Finally, I am sure you are aware of FCPx new magnetic timeline feature...I have to admit that is one feature that would be nice to have in future releases.

Thanks!

 

[Michael Panfeld]

When will On Location be able to handle HDMI input?

Cineform was just bought by GoPro, of all people. I imagine that the GoPro people are going to focus on maximizing Cineform's software development for their cameras rather than Cineform's relationship with Adobe.

I would not count on Cineform for future Adobe 3D solutions.

 

[Stephen Pruitt]

So, at this moment, we can't go from Premiere Pro to Scratch? That's a pretty big issue given that so many of us folks are finishing in Scratch.

Stephen

 

[Lauri Kettunen]

David, have you seen this bug in CS5 in Windows 7 machine: If I have a R3D 4K 25fps timeline in PPro and export (say to Cineform 4K file) from AE, the export crashes very often precisely on the first frame of cross dissolves. In this case AE gives an error report which says something about error in reading the frame. The same does not happen if the same timeline is R3D 1080p 25fps in PPro.

Edit: The problem seems to occur only when using the Adobe dynamic link. If the PPro project is imported to AE, and then the composition is exported in the Render Queue everything goes just fine.

 

[shashbugu]

So, at this moment, we can't go from Premiere Pro to Scratch? That's a pretty big issue given that so many of us folks are finishing in Scratch.

Stephen

Yes you can! Scratch currently works perfectly with EDLs, importing and exporting. Your current inability to export XML to scratch has nothing to do with Adobe. Scratch was built from the ground up to work with film based workflows. Prior to the new version 3rd party products were used to create xml to edl workflows for Scratch. If you want too finish in scratch its smart to start in scratch create proxies for editorial and finnish in scratch. thats why you have tools like scratch-cine etc. With Scratch 6, I would not even worry about that.

 

[David McGavran]

Hi David, thx for all these stuff. it sounds incredible. Unfortunately have not seen it live but guess that will happen soon.

the sound sync is my favorit together with Epic support of course.

you were talking figures for the rockets, would it be hard to allow even more rockets being used , when you want to use the cineform plugin for a 3d editing workflow. Not sure , if I would have to convert to cineform raw ( probably we should), but I could think of other situations such as multicam Epic shoots, were it could be great if we didn't have to transcode at all to another codec , and still being able to do all corrections directly on the raw files.

We will use all the rockets that your computer can fit. But I don't think we have seen a machine that can really handle more than 2. They should be in 16x slots and you need a 16x slot for your video card.

Cheers

Dave