Worlds 1st EPIC-M #008 underwater footage from "Extinction"

[WesG]

Looks great Clay.

You mentioned no overheating issues. Can you compare this compared to the Red One? Do you find the Epic generates less heat?
Are you using an alloy or fibreglass housing?

Thanks in advance!
Cheers
Wes

 

[Michael Hastings]

...

It's amazing the housing worked so flawlessly out of the gate, on such short notice.

Not wanting to brag, but that's what I do - since 1981 have made housings for over 500 different cameras. In those early days there were no camcorders, you not only had different cameras, but different combinations of cameras and recorders so we had to figure out ways to efficiently make one shot housings for all kinds of crazy combinations. After a while you can pretty quickly figure out what it is going to take and over the years you figure out quite a few tricks and - just as important - what works reliably - like lathe cut grooves, x-ring seals, clear backplates, etc. We will make tweaks as we go along - including a waterproof box for the REDMOTE, but for the particular configuration (epic brain, RED brick battery, 5" LCD) it's pretty close. More sophisticated lens control will alter some things internally but externally about the same.

WesG the housing Clay used is PVC with an aluminum frontplate - which tends to transfer the heat nearly as efficiently as overall aluminum body. We also make aluminum but it takes more time and no huge advantages.


Beautiful stuff Clay, look forward to seeing more of the final product. Easy access to high speed at 4K/5K resolution is one of the big reasons Epic is really going to change the way a lot of us think about shooting all sorts of different things.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Looks great Clay.

You mentioned no overheating issues. Can you compare this compared to the Red One? Do you find the Epic generates less heat?
Are you using an alloy or fibreglass housing?

Thanks in advance!
Cheers
Wes

Can't compare to the Red One under water, but the eating on the Epic is way more efficient even so running almost none stop for 3 Hours opening the casing only for battery swap and or SSD replacement,
the body did get warm, obviously, but worked flawlessly, and in fact we should not have run the body at 5k 120fps with the body on all the time., for that long, the camera should have been shot down regularly.
But again, no warning ever came on and the shoot went on with out any hick ups...

 

[Pawel Achtel]

... including a waterproof box for the REDMOTE....

I think this would be a hit because it would have far greater use with other underwater and splash housings as well as all sorts of harsh environment use. I think it would pay off hugely to design a very slick, light and small housing, maybe even injection molding polycarbonate case.

 

[AnthonyFlores]

Not wanting to brag, but that's what I do - since 1981 have made housings for over 500 different cameras. In those early days there were no camcorders, you not only had different cameras, but different combinations of cameras and recorders so we had to figure out ways to efficiently make one shot housings for all kinds of crazy combinations. After a while you can pretty quickly figure out what it is going to take and over the years you figure out quite a few tricks and - just as important - what works reliably - like lathe cut grooves, x-ring seals, clear backplates, etc. We will make tweaks a we go along - including a waterproof box for the REDMOTE, but for the particular configuration (epic brain, RED brick battery, 5" LCD) it's pretty close. More sophisticated lens control will alter some things internally but externally about the same.

WesG the housing Clay used is PVC with an aluminum frontplate - which tends to transfer the heat nearly as efficiently as overall aluminum body. We also make aluminum but it takes more time and no huge advantages.


Beautiful stuff Clay, look forward to seeing more of the final product. Easy access to high speed at 4K/5K resolution is one of the big reasons Epic is really going to change the way a lot of us think about shooting all sorts of different things.

Thanks Michael, again really impressive -- I had never even considered underwater housing previously but now (and especially with how much time I spend in the Caribbean) -- I must admit it's really tempting.

Any thoughts on pricing yet, based on your first experience putting it together for the Epic?

Anthony

 

[C.H.Haskell]

Thanks for the kind words everyone, I am working so I will get back to everyones questions soon. I will also be posting a review of the EPIC, the housing and the workflow, my experience shooting along with BTS video and pictures. This camera just changes everything...I am not saying that as some fanatic, I am saying that as a user.

 

[Mark L. Pederson]

Thanks Mark...well let's go swimming! You got epics right? let's chat soon, I am ready for round two.

Totally down for round two. We just have to add another model.

Our EPIC babies wrap HELLBENDERS on the day I fly to Vegas for NAB - so ... yeah - after April 15th - let's blow some more bubbles ...

 

[Dan Kanes]

First:

Beautiful work!

WOW!

Secondly:

Wouldn't it be cool to have either:
a. Wifi module that lets you download and format a mag through the housing without "breaking the seal"
or
b. A waterproof Lemo-cable to gigabit ethernet module that would let you download and format a mag "over the wire" in hostile environments...

vaguely remember discussion of this a long time ago - but, again this is a testament to Red Engineering, Clay and others' creativity, and the Engineering of Mr. Hastings.

again... WOW!

 

[Mike McEntire]

Looking super nice. Great shots and great feeling.

 

[David Rasberry]

The footage is amazing. You two have a beautiful creative collaboration going on there. Look forward to seeing the rest of the film.

 

[David Birdy]

Great work! Very nice images I can't wait for the finished movie!

 

[Timur Civan]

Can't compare to the Red One under water, but the eating on the Epic is way more efficient even so running almost none stop for 3 Hours opening the casing only for battery swap and or SSD replacement,
the body did get warm, obviously, but worked flawlessly, and in fact we should not have run the body at 5k 120fps with the body on all the time., for that long, the camera should have been shot down regularly.
But again, no warning ever came on and the shoot went on with out any hick ups...

+1 Ketch,

That camera was bullet proof it seemed.

Was amazing working with all of you, and a bit hair raising to be lighting near a pool with only 4 feet of space around it to work.....

 

[C.H.Haskell]

Had 120 fps been already enabled on Epic?

Enabled yes. I noticed each time I dialed in 120 fps that the camera would warn me
That I had to shoot 12:1 in order to do so...I quickly agreed and started rolling. Keep in mind this was a pre production camera working on a beta build firmware so things will evolve and get even better. I am more then happy the way it is right now. I will make a big update to tomorrow night. Cheers

 

[Anthony Rinaldi]

As I should have realized, it is NSFW, as I found out the hard way...

Looks great so far, though, and I'll watch the whole thing later tonight!

 

[Michael Hastings]

Thanks Michael, again really impressive -- I had never even considered underwater housing previously but now (and especially with how much time I spend in the Caribbean) -- I must admit it's really tempting.

Any thoughts on pricing yet, based on your first experience putting it together for the Epic?

Anthony

A little less than for the RED1 ~$5700 PVC or $7900 Alum - with the addition of about $1000-1200 for the REDMOTE control in a separate case. That would be for the same basic configuration as Clay used (except with an Acrylic dome rather than the glass one he had):

Body (aluminum or PVC), aluminum frontplate, acrylic dome, power and trigger controls, simple friction focus, iris, zoom controls, camera and LCD mount, cable ports.

Options would include:

Focus and iris control servos using the servo motors Pawel Achtel designed and I have manufactured: Focus/Iris set of motors, mount, and control: $1595.
(some users for RED1 have set up their own Heden and other high end motors, as well as manual gear systems.)

6", 8" acrylic dome ports, macro ports, extension ports for longer lenses, Glass dome are all available. Other options include: Surface cables, external LCD, High Powered LED lighting, Ocean Reef U/W communications, etc.

May make a glass dome standard which normally would raise the cost by about $1700 but if I make all of them might get the added cost down to only about a little over half of that.

I'm taking $1500 deposits to hold your place in line - PREORDERS OPEN AS OF NOW, with balance of 50% deposit due within 3 weeks. Delivery will be 2 to 3 weeks for PVC/5-6 weeks for aluminum AFTER I receive my epic-X SN 206 or Epic-M. If you can supply an epic that can be sped up.

 

[Andrew M.]

Haskell, you made my day, great shot!

Are you planning to shoot more of this?
Get the light underwater and reflect it from the surface.
But I would really like to take EPIC to Dos Ojos Cenotes.

 

[Tom Lowe]

Now this is what I'm talking about.

 

[Vince Doran]

A little less than for the RED1 ~$5700 PVC or $7900 Alum - with the addition of about $1000-1200 for the REDMOTE control in a separate case. That would be for the same basic configuration as Clay used (except with an Acrylic dome rather than the glass one he had):

Body (aluminum or PVC), aluminum frontplate, acrylic dome, power and trigger controls, simple friction focus, iris, zoom controls, camera and LCD mount, cable ports.

Options would include:

Focus and iris control servos using the servo motors Pawel Achtel designed and I have manufactured: Focus/Iris set of motors, mount, and control: $1595.
(some users for RED1 have set up their own Heden and other high end motors, as well as manual gear systems.)

6", 8" acrylic dome ports, macro ports, extension ports for longer lenses, Glass dome are all available. Other options include: Surface cables, external LCD, High Powered LED lighting, Ocean Reef U/W communications, etc.

May make a glass dome standard which normally would raise the cost by about $1700 but if I make all of them might get the added cost down to only about a little over half of that.

I'm taking $1500 deposits to hold your place in line - PREORDERS OPEN AS OF NOW, with balance of 50% deposit due within 3 weeks. Delivery will be 2 to 3 weeks for PVC/5-6 weeks for aluminum AFTER I receive my epic-X SN 206 or Epic-M. If you can supply an epic that can be sped up.

What is the max depth rating on your housing? Could you make one to go to 1000mtrs +?

 

[Thomas Koch]

Did you use REDVOLT, or did you use the RED BRICK to power it?

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Did you use REDVOLT, or did you use the RED BRICK to power it?

Neither Thomas, as we are traveling across the US via Air, we chose the smaller capacity Bebob Rouges 90's, and the Redvolts are not yet out.