The Day the Movies died

[Scott Crawley]

I call it the suck it up, and kick it down mentality.

I reasontly did a test (and yes I make my living of this) on this forum with a way over the top topic.
For some reason the members with senior behind there name had the most disrecpectful replays..the rest where just off topic, or didn't dare to disagree.

I don't know what you are referring to but yes, folks who have more invested in the community will tend to be less tolerant of trolling. I'm sure you expected as much.

 

[Elmer Tenkink]

I don't know what you are referring to but yes, folks who have more invested in the community will tend to be less tolerant of trolling. I'm sure you expected as much.

The first line, I'm referring to the quote bevore, about the industry.
But sadly there are many industry's just like it.

And yes I was expecting it..as I should.:cheers2:

I must say that guys, like David Mullen I really respect.
He shares alot of knowledge, with a lot of patience to new members.
And he stays always very recpectfull.

As you can guess by now I'm curently making my living in Internet Marketing & Research...I am here because alot of this (film/television) is moving toward using the internet. And I really want to be ready for it!

 

[Bryce O]

I must say that guys, like David Mullen I really respect.
He shares alot of knowledge, with a lot of patience to new members.
And he stays always very recpectfull.

Yea, David's great. He only comments on people's actions and mentalities in general, but never directly criticizes a person... unless they're clearly trolling or asking for it.

That's the way it should be too. I say something criticizing nepotism (which is an IDEA) and the industry's mentality (again, this is an IDEA, not a person) and then I get responses saying I'm just complaining because of my own immaturity and failure!? Making a discussion personal (especially if it wasn't in the first place) is the sign of a weak arguer and an irrational mentality. All discussions should only take place in a 4th person perspective. Unless it's clearly a thread on personal opinions or something of that nature.

 

[Kholi Hicks]

My personal favorites are... "So-and-so wakes up with no memory at the scene of a murder and needs to figure out what happened." or "I'm in my twenties and I can't figure out what to do with my life, so I'll make a poor attempt at a Kevin Smith film."

The latter of what you just pointed out has sold recently, and it wasn't shot on an expensive camera.

Sure, there's nepotism, it doesn't really replace results.

As for the Day Movies Died... they aren't dead, they aren't going to die... it's just another transition period and the video game and cartoon generation's growing up to fill the shoes of those before them, just takes time to find out who's got the jelly to jam with big money.

Take Gareth Edwards for instance... from MONSTERS to GODZILLA.

 

[Bryce O]

The latter of what you just pointed out has sold recently, and it wasn't shot on an expensive camera.

Really what film was this?

Trust me, I'm a huge Smith fan... I just hate when people try to make "their own Clerks". It worked once as Kevin's movie! Stop attempting your own version just because you can't think of anything else to film without a budget!

Take Gareth Edwards for instance... from MONSTERS to GODZILLA.

Yea Gareth Edwards is super impressive. He's defiantly the "new breed" of directors that are going to start emerging. Directors that literally MAKE the films themselves. The days of directors just shouting instructions on set and then taking all the credit are fading...

Gareth may be the only director recently that deserves "A Film By" credit.

Anyone who doesn't write, shoot, or edit the film along with directing it, should only get an "Actor Coach" credit.

 

[Eren Ozkural]

Really what film was this?

Trust me, I'm a huge Smith fan... I just hate when people try to make "their own Clerks". It worked once as Kevin's movie! Stop attempting your own version just because you can't think of anything else to film without a budget!



Yea Gareth Edwards is super impressive. He's defiantly the "new breed" of directors that are going to start emerging. Directors that literally MAKE the films themselves. The days of directors just shouting instructions on set and then taking all the credit are fading...

Gareth may be the only director recently that deserves "A Film By" credit.

Anyone who doesn't write, shoot, or edit the film along with directing it, should only get an "Actor Coach" credit.

Although I wouldn't say what you did in such a blunt way, I agree with you on the whole. I'm 25 and in pre production on my first feature as director/dp. Since leaving film school I've shot/lit/directed corporate and reportage pieces in over 12 countries, edited them by myself, created VFX and motion graphics, this lead to music videos and virals...and I'm nothing special. I know at least several other peers who do the same and i have no reservations in saying that some are way more promising than I am.

I think this jack of all trades approach is the future template for most feature directors. Is that a good or bad thing? Neither really. there are a lot of merits for stepping back and seeing the whole picture and letting your colleagues strengths and concentration negate your own weak areas in different departments.

Having said that there are concrete reasons why the directors of the future are going to be cut from the same cloth as Neill Blompkamp and Gareth Edwards:

-The democratisation of film making tools.
-The job market.

Growing up I wanted to make films like Star Wars. Thanks to Mini DV cameras and programs like After Effects and Blender I was able to go down that path. As for the job market? I've managed to pay the bills, rent, travel around the world and save up thanks to being a versatile multi skilled film maker in this economy.

Frankly, at least in London, I've observed Film School graduates going mostly going in two directions. They "invented" themselves a job by going for the multi skilled approach that I took or they started out with receptionist/runner jobs at post production and distribution facilities where I'm certain that they'll eventually carve out lucrative and secure careers. But I'm unsure about a lot of the second group directing which is what they at least dreamt of doing in the past.

Like I said, there are plenty of film makers of my generation that seem to be heading this way.

On a side note, anyone know where I could get custom Bingo cards printed? I think i can play an amusing game with my IMDB if I keep racking up credits in different departments :thumbup1:

 

[Andrew Rieger]

Yea Gareth Edwards is super impressive. He's defiantly the "new breed" of directors that are going to start emerging. Directors that literally MAKE the films themselves. The days of directors just shouting instructions on set and then taking all the credit are fading...

Gareth may be the only director recently that deserves "A Film By" credit.

Anyone who doesn't write, shoot, or edit the film along with directing it, should only get an "Actor Coach" credit.

I don't agree with this. This style works with indie productions but once you move up into the big leagues, you still need to exhibit an ability to collaborate with others. With big budgets, studios are hesitant to let someone do everything. Besides, directing is much more than coaching actors.

Still, I do appreciate those jack of all trades directors. Tarantino comes to mind.

In my eyes, the ultimate all in one director is Shane Carruth with his independent sci fi masterpiece Primer.

trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CC60HJvZRE

Shane literally did everything for under seven grand. He directed, wrote, produced, funded, dp'd, edited, composed the music and acted as the second lead character in the film. And the film is mind blowing. I still have yet to see anyone top that. If anyone was more deserving of a best director Oscar in 2004, it was Shane Carruth.

Rain Johnson's Brick is also another good example of a film that was made because one guy worked his ass off in all departments.

 

[Kholi Hicks]

Really what film was this?

Tiny Furniture

Trust me, I'm a huge Smith fan... I just hate when people try to make "their own Clerks". It worked once as Kevin's movie! Stop attempting your own version just because you can't think of anything else to film without a budget!

Why are you telling people to stop doing what they're interested in? Let them do what they want. Do what you're going to do.

Yea Gareth Edwards is super impressive. He's defiantly the "new breed" of directors that are going to start emerging. Directors that literally MAKE the films themselves. The days of directors just shouting instructions on set and then taking all the credit are fading...

No, they aren't. New Directors are plucked from the fields rather often, but some of them only get one movie and fade away.

Some manage to stay.

You don't have to make your own movies to survive, you just need to survive long enough to find your voice and make decent features.

Maybe jack-of-all-trading is a way to get noticed and to the next job, but the idea is to build a career... career means longevity. It's rare that a one man band survives on his or her own in this industry. Robert Rodriguez is an exception, not a rule.

Gareth may be the only director recently that deserves "A Film By" credit.

Not sure what this is supposed to mean, but alright.

Anyone who doesn't write, shoot, or edit the film along with directing it, should only get an "Actor Coach" credit.

I don't know, but this statement not only comes off as jaded, but entirely inexperienced and ill-informed as to how important a Director's job really is.

 

[Kholi Hicks]

I don't agree with this. This style works with indie productions but once you move up into the big leagues, you still need to exhibit an ability to collaborate with others. With big budgets, studios are hesitant to let someone do everything. Besides, directing is much more than coaching actors.

Indeed, agreed.

Still, I do appreciate those jack of all trades directors. Tarantino comes to mind.

In my eyes, the ultimate all in one director is Shane Carruth with his independent sci fi masterpiece Primer.

trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CC60HJvZRE

Shane literally did everything for under seven grand. He directed, wrote, produced, funded, dp'd, edited, composed the music and acted as the second lead character in the film. And the film is mind blowing. I still have yet to see anyone top that. If anyone was more deserving of a best director Oscar in 2004, it was Shane Carruth.

Rain Johnson's Brick is also another good example of a film that was made because one guy worked his ass off in all departments.

Shane's a great example of one-man-band that didn't go anywhere anytime fast. Even after his Sundance sweep. Although, now, it looks like he's back around and working with Rian Johsnon on his new feature.

Hoping to see great things from this combo.

 

[Bryce O]

Tiny Furniture

Yea, forgot about that...

I wouldn't say this looks like a Kevin Smith copy though. I had the chance to go see this at the Michigan State theater a while ago but I just couldn't justify it. It looked great production wise (thanks in part to the 7D) but it just doesn't look original to me. I get it, you're in your mid-twenties, slightly quirky/offbeat, and just figuring out what to do with your life. Film festivals love this crap year after year, but I think we've seen enough of it for a while... Unless you're also including something cool like time-travel/alternate dimensions and guys in rabbit suits (Donnie Darko) to make it original or tell it in a different way, then I just don't see the point.

I'm sure it's a great film technically and everything... and I'm sure the story makes sense and such. But I just hate seeing this pretentious-self-gratifying film-making being praised for something it's not because somebody is pandering to, or guilt-tripping, the audience/panel.

And before anyone says it... Yes I am jealous.

I'm jealous for myself and also for all the other talented film-makers that strive to show people something new every year and either fail in execution, or simply fail to get recognized.

...and for those who refrain from self-indulgence in pursuit of originality.

BTW, this post may be a little self-indulgent in my own opinions... but hey, at least I didn't make a movie about it! :dita:

Shane's a great example of one-man-band that didn't go anywhere anytime fast. Even after his Sundance sweep. Although, now, it looks like he's back around and working with Rian Johsnon on his new feature.

Hoping to see great things from this combo.

I think the problem is that Primer was TOO good. And all the screenwriters and directors are paying people off to make sure Shane doesn't get anymore work... :biggrin: