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Peter Lyons Collister ASC

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Anybody have any recent feedback about the 2 Rouge zooms?
How they compare to other zooms and/or primes?

Just looking for some lenses for personal use and I am tired of changing my PL mount to a Nikon mount over and over again.....

Peter
 
Peter,

both the 16-42 and 30-80 are great zooms, but even so we have not tested them on Epic as of yet,
I don't think that they will cover the full 5k.

They are sharp and contrasty, but not as god as the Optimo 17-80, which really is as god as the Optimo 24-90,
but this last does not cover 5k at the wide end.

As far as comparing to Primes, well, they don't.

But I'm also sure that if you were to film a Scene with a set of Primes and the Angenioux Zooms set at
same aperture and Focal, there would be very few if any in the Audience that could ever notice a difference.

Off course Zooms vs. Primes, is not only a matter of Focus, Aperture and Sharpness, but it is a also a matter of
Rendering of the Bokeh at the same apertures, depending on the number of Blades and shape of the Iris,
how well they resolve the Image, and the Contrast they give, and even so much can be done in post, some things can not.

I prefer Primes, and for this we finally decided to add a Set of Master Primes to the Red Pro Primes, but also have
the RPZ 17-50 and RPZ 18-85, and love them, but never replace Primes.
 
Image coverage on the rouge lenses are

31.1 mm

it should cover full 5k i believe. I've heard nothing but good things about the rouge lenses and from what I've seen I agree, razor sharp, great build, light, and great color matching, with that classic angenioux look.

of course primes always have their advantages but that's not the discussion. I think the rouge lenses are probably some of the finest zooms ever made when you look at the price, size, weight, and optical quality. for 23kish a pop, I think it's a steal.
 
Hi Peter,

I used them and they are really nice... The upside is they are not too big or heavy for a zoom, the downside is they are HD lenses so you won't be able to use them with film should you need to...

Ketch is right, not sure how they'll handle the 5K... Already, my MB-20 vignettes in 4,5K with the Red 18-50mm zoom...
 
I own both the 16-42mm and 30-80mm Rouges and they are great lenses. We also own the 17-80mm and the 24-290mm and we intercut them all the time and you can't tell the difference. I bought them to use with Steadycam and also for a lightweight package which I complemented with an LMB-5, a 2060 head and medium duty Ronford-Bakers. I couldn't be happier.

My understanding is that they will cover 5K.
 
I'm almost positive they cover 5k and have at least if not more coverage than the 17-80.
 
Hey Guys,
Just put my order in for a set today. Super excited to get them, Ive used them before and they are great handheld zooms which will work with not only EPIC but the new af100 and sony F3. In regards to 5K I believe Mark has clarified this...

Mark L. Pederson said:
Both Optimo DPs - 16-42mm and 30-80mm fully cover 5K on EPIC.

Excellent glass - fast ROI - HIGHLY recommend.
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After much deliberation I went for the 30-80mm and it's turned out to be a fantastic lens, I'm using it on my RED and my Alexa and it produces great images on both.

It intercuts with the Ultra's and masters that I regularly hire for bigger jobs.

I will be purchasing the 16-42mm soon.

Nick

http://web.me.com/nickbennett/Nick_Bennett_Cinematographer/Reel.html
 
KETCH ROSSI said:
Great, they do cover 5k, so its the 24-290 that does not cover it and in need of an adaptor ;)
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pretty much all the other optimos will need that adapter. I think when the made the rouge, they had 5k in the back of their heads :)

generally most of your modern day lenses, especially made in the past 10 years will cover 5k, or a upwards super 35 mm. but it's always good to check, since Epic has the largest s35 size sensor on the market....
 
Rouge 30-80 always covered 5k.

First version of 16-42 came out before 5k was announced; it doesn't cover 5k. Second version (the current version) was redesigned to cover 5k.

You can get matched sets from the factory for 3d. Apparently perfect lenses for 3d.

Regards,
Paul
 
paul engstrom said:
Rouge 30-80 always covered 5k.

First version of 16-42 came out before 5k was announced; it doesn't cover 5k. Second version (the current version) was redesigned to cover 5k.

You can get matched sets from the factory for 3d. Apparently perfect lenses for 3d.

Regards,
Paul
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Good to know on the 16-42, differences in the new version, so that some one does not make the wrong purchase if buying used ;)

As far as been able to order matched sets for 3D,

we now are faced with spending some do time with Arri, and hopefully Red to get two sets of Master Primes and
two sets of Red Pro Primes Matched, so ahving Angenioux offer this form factory its totally Cool, Cudos to them ;)
 
KETCH ROSSI said:
Good to know on the 16-42, differences in the new version, so that some one does not make the wrong purchase if buying used ;)

As far as been able to order matched sets for 3D,

we now are faced with spending some do time with Arri, and hopefully Red to get two sets of Master Primes and
two sets of Red Pro Primes Matched, so ahving Angenioux offer this form factory its totally Cool, Cudos to them ;)
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Yes indeed--forward thinking on their part re: 3d usage!

Should be noted: the 5k sensor is a bigger sensor than we're used to which means lenses will feel wider than we're used -- because indeed, we're seeing a larger field of view than before. With this rouge's this means the 16 will be give a fov similar to 14 or 15 on a RED1 (which is great!) while the 80 will feel something like 75 on a RED1, (which is not great). This means some users may feel like they're lacking sufficient focal length on the long end with this 2 lens setup. A 30-90 or 35-100 would have been more helpful in 5k land.

Regards,
Paul
 
I can't wait to see Mark's tests with them! Heard nothing but good things ...

On a more trivial note, I hate the bright red stripe ... but I think Evan said you can special order with blue or black instead. I'm thinking black, even if I have to pay a few bucks extra. That would look sweet on the Epic :)
 
paul engstrom said:
Yes indeed--forward thinking on their part re: 3d usage!

Should be noted: the 5k sensor is a bigger sensor than we're used to which means lenses will feel wider than we're used -- because indeed, we're seeing a larger field of view than before. With this rouge's this means the 16 will be give a fov similar to 14 or 15 on a RED1 (which is great!) while the 80 will feel something like 75 on a RED1, (which is not great). This means some users may feel like they're lacking sufficient focal length on the long end with this 2 lens setup. A 30-90 or 35-100 would have been more helpful in 5k land.

Regards,
Paul
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if you're shooting 3d, you won't be using your longer focal lengths... if you do, it will be VERY rare.
 
Anthony, the red rubber band comes off easily. My box included a blue one for an option--no charge. I like the red. Where this makes a difference is if you have both lenses. It a good way to identify them from each other ie: one red, the other blue or black.
 
Here's my 16-42 with the black bands...
1642F7.jpg


They originally cost me $160, but I complained to Angenieux and they credited it back to me. They are beautiful lenses with solid customer service.
 
Ah! that beautifull Angenieux look :)

Evin,

could you post a couple of frame grabs taken with these lenses ?

Antoine
 
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