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Let's have a debate on editing software.

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Hi there. I have been on a few forms and websites, I have read a few reviews on editing software. Every website concludes something else, everyone has a different opinion and I am running in circles.

I am planning on buying a RED in the near future for a future film (In development) in South Africa. My Film will be shot in "Noir style".
At the moment I am using Adobe Premiere Pro cs5 because it is user friendly and it supports RED.

In your opinion, what is THE BEST and THE WORST editing software for RED 4k+ digital Cinema and why?

My Budget is not a problem, I want the best of everything.
 
red and seperated sound system + timecode?
redrocket+avid MC......from there you go to vfx/titling/grading and finally finishing
easy syncing, avid omf export to protools, datamanagement and working with mxf files are the big pro's

you are not looking for a solution to finish the movie with an editing software, right?
 
Rainer said:
Hi there. I have been on a few forms and websites, I have read a few reviews on editing software. Every website concludes something else, everyone has a different opinion and I am running in circles...

My Budget is not a problem, I want the best of everything.
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I've got to ask the obvious question: are you an editor? If so, the best software is the one you already use and/or are the most comfortable with. If not, the best software is the one your editor already uses and is the most comfortable with.

Honestly, editing is editing, regardless of the source. Easy work paths can and have already been worked out for just about everything out there.
 
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Cüneyt Kaya said:
you are not looking for a solution to finish the movie with an editing software, right?
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No, whatever works the best. The film will almost be colorless.

Just another question, is it still ok to use the word "film", even if RED is digital?
 
yes :)
in your case i would offline edit on avid (or fcp if u prefer)
find a postproduction facility anx make a deal for data back up, conforming, colorgrading, vfx and titles.

because grading and finishing software is expensive, bu beside that colorists are high skilled people and expensive...
 
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M Most said:
I've got to ask the obvious question: are you an editor?
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If you where a film student in SA you are everything and everyone, because if you don't do the job for your lazy-ass crew members the production will never happen. All white South Africans has a "DO IT YOURSELF" attitude because of ridicules racist laws.

At the moment I am a freelance Camera operator and I edit my own videos on Adobe Premiere pro cs5.
And I know what you might think, "a camera operator that wants to shoot a feature film?"... The only reason why I don't call myself a DOP is because I have only shot on 16mm film twice and I haven't earned the title of "DOP" jet, but I will be there soon.
 
all the side comments aside, the question is are you doing the whole feature film in post yourself? If so, the premiere route, might be the best way to go if you are determined to start and finish in r3d. It bypasses any transcoding time, and any kind of redundant storage. But it can bog down your system, and in my opinion, (this is just personal opinion from experience, not fact) I find that premiere still has another generation or two to reach full fruition to be considered rock solid. I still find some stability issues, glitchy audio, and a few pet peeves here and there, but that's from personal preference.

My absolute favorite for rock solid performance will always be avid. Great media management, steeper learning curve but i love how it keeps you organized and it's pro through and through, and let's you do a offline to online edit flawlessly. you can work with r3d directly but it will also bog down your system.

fcp is always a staple too, but you have to transcode to work with r3d.

as for smoke and these other systems, they are amazing too but they are also somewhere upwards of 15 thousand dollars a year to keep the license... and again, steep learning curve. but you can start and finish in smoke. it's kind of a all in one, do it all.

so the real question for you is, how do you intend to start the post on this film, what is your preferred workflow, and where is the film going when you have a final cut? do you have a lot of VFX? do you have a big color grading session you need to source out? do you plan to do everything last bit in house? It's a lot of things to consider and it something you really have to sit and think about and have written down and planned out before you take the first shot on set. the closer you have post in motion side by side with production, and even in pre pro, the smoother everything always gets. Shooting a feature and worrying about post until the film is in the can is probably one of the worst approach and biggest mistakes indie films always makes...
 
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The film will almost be colorless.
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What does that mean? You want a desaturated look? That's very intensive color grading to make that look good. Not too mention planning in production with the DP/production design/makeup etc.

If it were me- I'd hire an editorial team. Spending the dough on expensive software doesn't include the talent to use it. And if you're already on Premiere. Stick with that- you can easily complete a RED project with Premiere.

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Rainer said:
Hi there. I have been on a few forms and websites, I have read a few reviews on editing software. Every website concludes something else, everyone has a different opinion and I am running in circles.

I am planning on buying a RED in the near future for a future film (In development) in South Africa. My Film will be shot in "Noir style".
At the moment I am using Adobe Premiere Pro cs5 because it is user friendly and it supports RED.

In your opinion, what is THE BEST and THE WORST editing software for RED 4k+ digital Cinema and why?

My Budget is not a problem, I want the best of everything.
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It is a bit silly asking what is BEST or WORST on a forum..
As if you are going to get a straight answer!
And technically you should only be interested in what is BEST for you.
 
I agree with MIke, you probably need to use what you are most comfortable with. If you have enough time to work with another software and get comfortable with it... as in at least a couple months, actually working on projects (not opening it once or twice and hitting buttons on the menus), then fine. I like Premiere, but I'm not an editor, and it's what I grew up with. The most I ever cut is short films, so it's manageable. I'm not saying it's not possible to cut a feature with it, but I would look into Avid as well as Autodesk software, which are each highly regarded professional tools designed for feature work.

A big part of it is going to depend on your machine. You're really going to find a RedRocket useful. Are you going to buy an Avid editing suite? It seems like you have a lot to figure out. If you want some helpful advice, you need to figure out what you're doing, and provide realistic parameters for your project. That's a big reason why you're running in circles. Figure your stuff out, man. Good luck.

And pay attention to your attitude. Otherwise, you're welcome.
 
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