Tangent Wave Support PLEASE! :-)

[Rob Ruffo]

For those of us who work mainly with P.C. there is a dearth of panel-supported color-correction utilities. In fact, to my knowledge, there are simply none.

Even RedCine X does not support Tangent Wave on Windows.

Here for Premiere and After Effects is a HUGE opportunity to become the one and only Tangent Wave (or other) panel supporting CC method for PC users.

The Sources Settings Panel could support it, 3-way color corrector, etc.

This would re-enforce the idea that PPro is no longer only prosumer and wedding oriented, but for also for serious pros who have options and know what they are doing.

I would add that EDl export NEEDS to be fixed. What editor under 40 does not use subclips in their work? As it si now a subclip edit cannot be exported to Davinci or any other app without enormous handwork

 

[jake blackstone]

For those of us who work mainly with P.C. there is a dearth of panel-supported color-correction utilities. In fact, to my knowledge, there are simply none.

How about Scratch?

 

[Robert Niessner]

This would re-enforce the idea that PPro is no longer only prosumer and wedding oriented, but for also for serious pros who have options and know what they are doing.

Premiere Pro needs a lot more improvements to be considered a really professional tool - I just mention 'media management', 'batch recoding', 'audio tracks roundtripping', 'workflow with filters/effects/transitions', and many more.

 

[Patrick Inhofer]

For those of us who work mainly with P.C. there is a dearth of panel-supported color-correction utilities. In fact, to my knowledge, there are simply none.

Actually,

Euphonix released PC drivers for their control surfaces. You'll find the full list of supported apps here: http://euphonix.com/artist/solutions/

I'm not aware that the MC Color is supporting anything on the PC. But the PC support overall is new and, not surprisingly to me, comes after the Avid acquisition which has plenty of cross platform apps.

They're the ones I'd keep an eye out for - if you're looking for PC-based solutions.

 

[M Most]

For those of us who work mainly with P.C. there is a dearth of panel-supported color-correction utilities. In fact, to my knowledge, there are simply none.

Even RedCine X does not support Tangent Wave on Windows.

If you really mean "panel supported on Windows," there's Assimilate Scratch, Iridas Speedgrade, and Autodesk Lustre. If what you actually meant was "cheap and supporting Tangent Wave," "cheap" is relative, and I believe both Scratch and Speedgrade support Wave.

 

[shashbugu]

Premiere Pro needs a lot more improvements to be considered a really professional tool - I just mention 'media management', 'batch recoding', 'audio tracks roundtripping', 'workflow with filters/effects/transitions', and many more.

Media management=0
Batch recording Exists but very unusable except with Matrox hardware,
Audio tracks roundtripping=? what do you mean?
Basic filters/effects/transitions work and transitions appear in XML and EDL'.
But yes at the professional workflow level it is really lacking.
overall its a very good stable editor. Just don't try to drag and drop files during playback or CRASH!!!!!!

 

[David McGavran]

Media management=0
Batch recording Exists but very unusable except with Matrox hardware,
Audio tracks roundtripping=? what do you mean?
Basic filters/effects/transitions work and transitions appear in XML and EDL'.
But yes at the professional workflow level it is really lacking.
overall its a very good stable editor. Just don't try to drag and drop files during playback or CRASH!!!!!!

Can you guys give me steps on these bugs? what do you mean crash during playback with drag and drop? Steps?

Also interested in what you mean but Audio Tracks Roundtripping?

This is a red forum which cameras are you using when you hope to have good batch recording?

Cheers

Dave

 

[Robert Niessner]

David - I did not mean 'batch recording' but 'batch re-encoding'.
That means there is no possibility in Premiere to export my footage transcoded into another format. You can either output the whole timeline or select one clip and export that. In Final Cut for example you can transcode each footage into what ever you want.
It would be great if I could select some or all clips in my project and let those transcode into whatever format Premiere supports (keeping individual clips intact). That should be supported by the project manager too.

Media Management:
I mean have you ever worked with a huge project where footage was systematically sitting in folders and sub-folders and had to move that project to another storage place?
Instead of just pointing Premiere to the top level folder and having it find the footage itself you have to dive into each - I mean each of the hundred - folders and re-assign the footage by hand. That is ridiculous! To keep your own sanity you have to throw all footage into one folder... BTW - Final Cut/Avid scans your storages for you and finds the correct footage by itself - that's the way how it should work - let the computer do the work.

With audio tracks roundtripping I mean that currently there is no simple way to export the audio of the timeline in a way that an audio engineer in a studio can work on individual clips and respecting the cuts of the video tracks. Sorry if that sounds confusing - it is really hard to explain in English when that isn't my mother language.
In a nutshell: Better workflow between the cutter and the audio department.

Transitions:
It would be great if you could select an applied transition and copy it to other clips - but that is not possible. You have to recreate the settings for each clip by hand.
Please have a look at how elegantly Sony Vegas does let you work with transitions.

 

[David McGavran]

That is much more helpful. Will forward this response to the correct people.

Cheers

Dave

David - I did not mean 'batch recording' but 'batch re-encoding'.
That means there is no possibility in Premiere to export my footage transcoded into another format. You can either output the whole timeline or select one clip and export that. In Final Cut for example you can transcode each footage into what ever you want.
It would be great if I could select some or all clips in my project and let those transcode into whatever format Premiere supports (keeping individual clips intact). That should be supported by the project manager too.

Media Management:
I mean have you ever worked with a huge project where footage was systematically sitting in folders and sub-folders and had to move that project to another storage place?
Instead of just pointing Premiere to the top level folder and having it find the footage itself you have to dive into each - I mean each of the hundred - folders and re-assign the footage by hand. That is ridiculous! To keep your own sanity you have to throw all footage into one folder... BTW - Final Cut/Avid scans your storages for you and finds the correct footage by itself - that's the way how it should work - let the computer do the work.

With audio tracks roundtripping I mean that currently there is no simple way to export the audio of the timeline in a way that an audio engineer in a studio can work on individual clips and respecting the cuts of the video tracks. Sorry if that sounds confusing - it is really hard to explain in English when that isn't my mother language.
In a nutshell: Better workflow between the cutter and the audio department.

Transitions:
It would be great if you could select an applied transition and copy it to other clips - but that is not possible. You have to recreate the settings for each clip by hand.
Please have a look at how elegantly Sony Vegas does let you work with transitions.

 

[David McGavran]

With audio tracks roundtripping I mean that currently there is no simple way to export the audio of the timeline in a way that an audio engineer in a studio can work on individual clips and respecting the cuts of the video tracks. Sorry if that sounds confusing - it is really hard to explain in English when that isn't my mother language.
In a nutshell: Better workflow between the cutter and the audio department.

First response...

Has he tried "Export to OMF"? This is exactly what this feature does.

Cheers

Dave

 

[Paul Steinberg]

Just getting back to the original post topic. I agree that Scratch is a great grading platform for post colour on the PC, but it's at least a $30K investment.

...you know what works ALMOST amazing? Premiere CS5 and ColoristaII. If those two apps would work together properly (ie. ColoristaII would behave in Premiere the way it does in AfterEffects) you'd have a really powerful tool and could really knock out FCP/Colour. Add Tangent Wave support to all of that and it's the Volton of non-linear editors.

...or that's my opinion.

 

[Rob Ruffo]

How about Scratch?

Really? Are you sure? Even so, seems beyond our price range.

 

[Rob Ruffo]

Just getting back to the original post topic. I agree that Scratch is a great grading platform for post colour on the PC, but it's at least a $30K investment.

...you know what works ALMOST amazing? Premiere CS5 and ColoristaII. If those two apps would work together properly (ie. ColoristaII would behave in Premiere the way it does in AfterEffects) you'd have a really powerful tool and could really knock out FCP/Colour. Add Tangent Wave support to all of that and it's the Volton of non-linear editors.

...or that's my opinion.

Agreed.

 

[Rob Ruffo]

to David:

OMF export works great IF you do not use nested sub-timelines (i.e. a timeline within another timeline, used like a clip.) If you do that, it bumps all the tracks together into a mix which is never desirable.

As I've said elsewhere, also, subclips are simply not compatible with EDL export, which makes playing nice with Davinci or RedCine X a nightmare. Try putting some subclips on a timeline, and then go look at what the EDL reads like. Ideally, EDL would create an edit list automatically from all video layers - as it is I must drag all my files down one by one to "Video 1" for export.

Master Scene gathering of clips is also broken when using R3Ds - you have to export all clips as your only option, it does not correctly gather only used clips from a timeline as it does for other format types.

 

[jake blackstone]

Really? Are you sure? Even so, seems beyond our price range.

"For those of us who work mainly with P.C. there is a dearth of panel-supported color-correction utilities. In fact, to my knowledge, there are simply none."

This was the statement I was responding to. I'm not sure what you're alluding to in your post...