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History of the S35 Scarlet (and why it's now EPIC-S) from my perspective...

Thanks Michael that helped a lot.
 
Epic S looks set to have 95% of the features of the Epic X for less than half the price. That's an incredibly insane deal- much better price/performance than the old Scarlet specs. Jim has been generous to all of us, and he's giving an extra helping of love to the Scarlet folks.
 
Truth is nobody knows at this point because no specs have been announced for Epic-S.
We are guessing that the S model will have about half the max frame rate options at the same compression and crop modes compared to the X model
 
Hey Joseph, it sounds like we're on the same fence. But, the more I think about it, the more I am leaning to 1) buying the fixed, then 2) buying an Epic-S (Brain), then 3) buying modules. So in stage 2 of my plan, I'll have the benefits of having the fast frame rates of the fixed and the DoF and 5K of Epic-S (with a little module movement). That way, it's a win, win, win.
 
Michael / Joseph / (anyone), is the 120fps on the Fixed Scarlet in 2k or 3k? I was thinking it was only 2k and the max 3k fps was 30, but then I read this thread...

I know the best plan is to just wait until NAB 2011 for the most accurate information.
 
Anthony Survant said:
Michael / Joseph / (anyone), is the 120fps on the Fixed Scarlet in 2k or 3k? I was thinking it was only 2k and the max 3k fps was 30, but then I read this thread...

I know the best plan is to just wait until NAB 2011 for the most accurate information.
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From what we've heard in the past, the 120fps (at other times it was 150fps) has been for 3K. 1080p scaled was said to have a lower amount of fps...

Subject to change...
 
Anthony Survant said:
Michael / Joseph / (anyone), is the 120fps on the Fixed Scarlet in 2k or 3k? I was thinking it was only 2k and the max 3k fps was 30, but then I read this thread...

I know the best plan is to just wait until NAB 2011 for the most accurate information.
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Last I knew and read, 120fps is for 3k. 2k should go even higher!

I would post quotes, but I'm on a rather slow iPhone at the moment...
 
Haha, caught me before I could edit my post. You are absolutely right, Joseph. I was thinking of epic-x, which was (is?) supposed to shoot 2k at much higher rates.
 
Michael Olsen said:
Haha, caught me before I could edit my post. You are absolutely right, Joseph. I was thinking of epic-x, which was (is?) supposed to shoot 2k at much higher rates.
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Yes. Said to be 250fps, I believe. To the peoples reading this, these numbers are actually quite old (2 years) and a lot I'm sure has changed so don't expect all of these numbers to be right on the money...
 
Kemalettin Sert said:
so if epic-s has 250fps at 2k epic-x must be 500fps?
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No no no no. Hehe. 250fps at 2K was projected for EPIC-X. Maybe this "projectory" stuff should come to a close until official word from RED. I'd hate to be the one to blame for confusing people... ;)

EDIT: and that was for "cropped" 2K...not for "scaled".
 
Kemalettin Sert said:
so if epic-s has 250fps at 2k epic-x must be 500fps?
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I don't think anyone said that epic-s was 250 at 2k. We were speaking of epic-x.

I'll second that Joseph...hopefully well get some pretty detailed official documents soon...
 
Joseph Hutson said:
But what about this S35 Scarlet? It only had a max of 30fps. Adding the boards for HDRx would only bring, at the most, 15fps of HDRx. Pretty useless if you ask anyone who's wanting to shoot primarily for MOTION.
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Joseph, you absolutely nailed it with this one - excellent analysis.
 
Guys, don't forget that shooting at the lower resolutions aren't always that attractive in the sense of the camera's FOV ... shooting at 2k is going to be a vastly reduced field of view compared to 5k -- which you may be able to work around but important to keep in mind.

Red doesn't "line skip" like Canon and other brands who go from large sensors down to 2k resolution ... which is good ... but the only drawback is that when you crop the sensor from 5k to 2k you "see" a lot less, almost going from a wide angle to a zoom .....
 
AnthonyFlores said:
Guys, don't forget that shooting at the lower resolutions aren't always that attractive in the sense of the camera's FOV ... shooting at 2k is going to be a vastly reduced field of view compared to 5k -- which you may be able to work around but important to keep in mind.

Red doesn't line skip like Canon and other brands who go from large sensors down to 2k resolution ... but the only drawback is that when you crop the sensor from 5k to 2k you "see" a lot less, almost going from a wide angle to a zoom .....
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But, you are aware of the realtime downscaling to 1080p (and hinted to maybe being 2K. Right? In this, you will not be cropping the sensor.
 
Joseph Hutson said:
But, you are aware of the realtime downscaling to 1080p (and hinted to maybe being 2K. Right? In this, you will not be cropping the sensor.
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And of course, this is likely to result in MORE processing, not less. Leading one to believe that these downscaled images, even in the Epic, will come with the result of LOWER frame rates, not higher, as cropping the sensor would allow.

And thinking this through to the 3K Scarlet, it would not seem that you'd get higher frame rates than the 120 fps at 2K (if you can even shoot at 2K) since I very much doubt they would crop the sensor to get 2K. And, that is consistent with Joseph's suggestion that the in-cam downscaling to 1080p will reduce frame rates as well. :huh:
 
Terry VerHaar said:
And of course, this is likely to result in MORE processing, not less. Leading one to believe that these downscaled images, even in the Epic, will come with the result of LOWER frame rates, not higher, as cropping the sensor would allow.

And thinking this through to the 3K Scarlet, it would not seem that you'd get higher frame rates than the 120 fps at 2K since I very much doubt they would crop the sensor to get 2K. And, that is consistent with Joseph's suggestion that the in-cam downscaling to 1080p will reduce frame rates as well. :huh:
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Precisely...
 
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