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RED's own version of the GoPro/question to Jim.

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Just got a GoPro HD Hero a few weeks back and i've had a blast with it. Really good quality visuals from something so small and tough (as long as you use it outside on a sunny day/around midday on an overcast day)

Still, i'm left wondering how I could intercut it with some RED footage I have...

...which got me thinking about a RED built crash camera.

No onboard debayering. Fixed wide lens. 2/3" or smaller MX sensor. Water/shock proof casing. Controlled via RedMote. Records to CF.

Resolution? I'd be happy with 2K but we know RED don't swing that way.

Let's say 3K@30fps, cropped 2K@60fps. Redcode 20:1

MAX twice the size of the gopro (though knowing how much they crammed in an Epic I wouldn't be shocked if it was half the size of the gopro haha)

$1,000 in 5-6 years time... Thoughts?

Once the Scarlet/Epic line have been shipping for a while would you consider making a camera like this, Jim?
 
5-6 years from now, 8K full frame/medium format sized chips will most likely be the rage. imo.

Should be cool.

cant wait.
 
I'm just being realistic. 2 years for DSMC (cameras and accessories) to be adopted all over various industries, manufacturing/supplier kinks worked out, etc.

2 more years for Monstro cameras to start coming out.

2 more years for next major line of accessories to come out in numbers/ Monstro cameras to mature.

While the Monstro cameras are maturing (i.e firmware updates, no physical redesigns or tweaks) then what other markets can RED capture?

High speed imaging on the high end (which RED have seemed a bit reluctant to do: high FPS costs real money and certain companies seem to have that market segment cornered with ever improving cameras) and crash/sports cameras on the lower end of the professional market.

Would anyone else like to see such a product? Personally I want RAW motion acquisition for every type of camera my work needs. Wether it's a feature, a TV show shot in a studio or within a cramped old mining tunnel I want RED quality images at RED prices.

If there's demand I'm sure they'll consider it.

I'm just thinking of the design. They'll have plenty of MX wafers being fabricated around the clock on a massive scale. Redmote related WiFi components should be plentiful. The innards/processing power should both be much lower than a R1 and cheaper due to moore's law and whatnot.


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Thermal issues would be complicated a little bit due to the kind of sturdy/waterproof housing you would need but it's nothing RED's engineers can't solve.

So, any takers?
 
It might be interesting if Red took their 2/3" 3K sensor out of the Scarlet and made as tiny & stripped-down a camera as possible.

The thing with the GoPro is that a tiny sensor and a super wide-angle lens together gives them enough depth of field to not worry about focusing. Once you start putting in larger and higher-resolution sensors, you're going to need to focus the lens.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
The thing with the GoPro is that a tiny sensor and a super wide-angle lens together gives them enough depth of field to not worry about focusing.
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Exactly, anything above 2/3" would cripple the camera for it's intended purpose. Even 2/3" might be too big.

I was wondering David if you've ever tested the GoPro out for one of your Tv shows or features as a light weight/small pov/crash cam?

Thanks :)

So, anyone with more engineering know how than I do (pretty much everyone) do you think it's possible to have a 2K@30FPS REDRAW minimum crash camera in 5-6 years time?
 
Looks like everybody's on the same page here. I thought the Scarlet original specs would scratch this itch. I'm glad it didn't. I think the Go Pro is a forward trending Professional space in the market and I believe Red will serve this area soon. I put some of my thoughts into a 3D mock up. Nothing fancy, just a place to put what I felt the segment needed-- the final look and form-factor will be set by Red after much design work.

I would love this in 4K. Anyway...

I've been calling this "Poco Rosso" or "Rosi". Anyway, I'd love about three or four sets of these--
 

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Thank you for sharing your thoughts and designs with us Jeff :)
There's definitely a niche there. Small. Bomb Proof. Simple.

I like your design...I was thinking of posting some kind of sketch myself.
I do think that any kind of onboard monitoring would be impossible for a decent size/weight/price. Why you may ask?

Realtime debayering/monitoring=boards, ports and wires. This thing would need to be 1 or 2 little boards max with some kind of SOC with the OS, analogue to digital conversion and offload to physical media on one board and the controller/wifi connection on another board. Both connected to some kind of REDVOLT-S mini RED battery.

If money wasn't an issue I could imagine RED making this a possibility today and it would be the size of 1-2 gopros.

After all, if they can fit 5K HDR @ 50FPS in a Hassleblad form factor with realtime debayering then a 3K@30FPS version without any bells and whistles wouldn't be larger than a real matchbox.

Because of the redmote you could get away without having any buttons or status screens on the unit if you really had to/wanted to as well...

Love your renders Jeff...might have to mock something up. Got a transatlantic plane journey coming up ;)
 
Actually, almost more than a GoPro type camera I'd like to see a "lipstick" camera.

Just a little tube with a small lens and some i/o ports so I can add modules as needed. Use an external recorder/processor.

Basically Iconix the RED way.

Make it waterproof to 10m/30ft and I'd be thrilled to tears.
 
Eren Ozkural said:
...might have to mock something up. Got a transatlantic plane journey coming up ;)
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Thanks, the images aren't sexy but they communicate the list of things I'd like to see.

Post the idea, I'd love to see what direction you'd take the concept. I love that GoPro 3D, obviously they see the benefit in inverting the right eye too. I imagined some kind of sync/interface and a small rig to manage convergence.

Red's got a nice big domestic factory to feed now... maybe we'll see more new products in the pipeline.
 
Having shot with both a 7D and 5D I wonder about mid size sensors? I got $20 says that when the monstro comes out in 8K it is not physically much larger than the current sensor.

Crash Camera..... after the Epic/Scarlets are out....That would be the RED1 right?
 
I'd be totally into a GoPro or Lipstick cam that recorded Redcode. Plastic waterproof housing. Fixed wide lense. Internal storage and power. Control via Redmote.

Sign me up.

IBloom
 
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“TRON” Limited Edition 3D GASCAN® eyewear by Oakley.

Also can be Oakley 3D camera googles designed by JJ that have two micro RED cameras on side of each eye

just made for 3D personal shooting connected with wireless or cable connected CF/SSD R3D capable recorder module small enough that you can in a pocket.
 
I Bloom said:
I'd be totally into a GoPro or Lipstick cam that recorded Redcode. Plastic waterproof housing. Fixed wide lense. Internal storage and power. Control via Redmote.

Sign me up.

IBloom
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Second that!
 
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