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Next MacPro: Predictions...

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I don't often start a topic here, but I had a really interesting conversation at lunch today revolving around "the next Mac Pro," and found my mind wandering into uncharted territory. So here's my predictions for this long awaited machine:

There won't be a next MacPro. If I read Apple correctly, they really don't have an interest in tower configurations anymore, and they might not even have enough sales volume to justify a separate "Pro" computer based on it. They did, after all, recently kill the XServe for just that reason. My prediction is that the next MacPro will be the iMac - but a radically reconfigured iMac, one with a built in bus-level expansion system, perhaps based on LightPeek technology as the interconnect. This would permit Apple to manufacture one form factor, one machine, with standard internals and features, perhaps with different screen sizes, as they do now. Expansion modules would be made available by both Apple and third parties for specific industry needs: PCIe slot modules for things like GPU and special purpose video cards (often the same thing), co-processing modules for adding CPU power and/or clustering, interface modules for things like FibreChannel or 10GigE connections, video I/O modules (perhaps built by companies like AJA and Blackmagic, providing the same functionality as today's PCIe cards, but in a self contained breakout box), and plenty of other things I can't think of. The key is the interconnect, and Apple loves to innovate and lead the industry in these things. Today, bus speed expansion is usually accomplished by either a PCIe connector, or in the case of some Linux based systems, either Infiniband or 10GigE connections. LightPeek could theoretically replace all of that, and do it using very thin, very inexpensive optical fiber. The use of optical fiber also eliminates some issues with the larger interconnects like PCIe and Infiniband, namely, cable length limitations. But the bottom line is that Apple would completely eliminate the need for separate, expensive case manufacture and assembly, as well as the need for a separate motherboard design and manufacture. The form factor of the current iMac is basically identical to the form factor of a typical monitor/keyboard configuration with a conventional computer. SSD's are becoming faster, cheaper, and can be manufactured in smaller form factors than current hard drives, allowing for multiple drive capability in the main case via "pop in" slots on the side of the case, much like the current DVD slot. In short, with Apple's history of innovation and design, I think it makes complete sense that they would eliminate the traditional PC tower design, centralize manufacturing on one desktop form factor, but implement new technologies to allow that form factor to serve all markets, from basic consumers to high end professionals, without compromise - and probably do it before everyone else. This would also explain the long delay in announcing any new "Pro" machines, both to allow for a redesign of the core iMac and also to allow Intel time to complete the optical interconnect technology they might use to make it all work. If they do all of this right, all current software and hardware (including things like Autodesk Smoke and DaVinci Resolve, which currently require third party hardware in specific slot assignments) will continue to work, although it might require some additional modules to house them. And it would allow for performance enhancements for these things that are currently impossible.

That's just my own prognostication, based on nothing other than my own observations, and with absolutely no basis in any announced actual fact. Apple has a history of throwing away the rule book when they've deemed it necessary or desirable. Hell, they even changed their entire design to a new processor, requiring a completely new motherboard design, new peripherals, and a complete rewrite of the operating system. And they did that twice. You don't get any more radical than that. They completely replaced a working operating system and all of its development tools with a BSD Unix system that required an object oriented development approach and an entirely new interface - and they made it able to run programs from the old system. Apple really loves introducing things that are not only unexpected, but have never been seen before and will likely not be implemented by other manufacturers very quickly. Personally, I would find it all pretty exciting, but I'm curious to hear what others think.
 
Mike, I started reading this with trepidation, I also have doubts about the future of the MacPro tower, but your reading of it actually makes a lot of sense. We've all complained about Apple's reluctance to adopt USB3 and we all know that's all about Lightpeak but your concept of Lightpeak becoming a PCIe replacement would work. And yes, Apple do tend towards master strokes and yes, it would make a lot of sense for them to trim an entire form factor from their range and it would make a lot of sense for them to elevate their flagship house design to the top of the tree. It would also strongly encourage folk to purchase another Mac monitor as their second screen - a Dreamcolor sitting next to an iMac would look a little odd ...

I just hope that, should they do it, we can get a top end processor in a smaller monitor. I hate 30" screens.
 
Yeah, that's one of the goals of light peak (ie. replace expansion slots and make peripherals more into networked devices).
 
Makes sense to me. The MacPro is an 8 year old design.. Making it one of the longest serving designs in Apples product history. And rightfully so, its a design and manufacturing masterpiece.

I just wonder, where would you put all these additional add-on devices.. Would they go in a separate device rack with bus cable? What about cooling issues for GPU based cards? You might still end up tethered to a tower in one form or another...
 
I don't think it's the tethering to a 'tower' that's an issue at all. It's how efficiently and modularly that tower functions.
Mike's concept would actually mirror RED's current track with a "Brain" that is replaceable with "Modules" that can withstand the forward progression of function and power.

Makes sense to me, I just hope it happens soon :)

Jason
 
I think you are on target, Mike. But the door will still be open for third party hardware mods. When Apple launched the iPod, the center of gravity in the company shifted towards the consumer and away from the Pro. My hope is that by innovating in the manner you suggest, that they can remain committed to both markets. It would suck to author in a PC back-alley for a Apple-centric consumer-- for me at least.
 
and with absolutely no basis in any announced actual fact but one I can say for sure :) is Apple will lead the way for a new generation of mobile media production like you have never seen. I run my Avid now from my iPad 300 miles away, not by choice but because I can on a flight home with time to kill. Mobile computing is where they are going to hit the market like a freight train in three years. That includes the iMac line that will be battery powered, slimmer with the touch screen we all know about. No blu ray player will be on it tho, you will have to by an aftermarket one.
 
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Everybody in the industry is excited about very soon (2011) upcoming Intel's LightPeak new high-speed optical cable technology.

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Light Peak is a new high-speed optical cable technology designed to connect your electronic devices to each other.
Light Peak delivers high bandwidth starting at 10Gb/s with the potential ability to scale to 100Gb/s over the next decade.
At 10Gb/s, you could transfer a full-length Blu-Ray movie in less than 30 seconds.
Optical technology also allows for smaller connectors and longer, thinner, and more flexible cables than currently possible.
Light Peak also has the ability to run multiple protocols simultaneously over a single cable, enabling the technology to connect
devices such as peripherals, displays, disk drives, docking stations, and more.
Light Peak components are expected to begin to become available to customers in late 2010,
and Intel expects to see Light Peak in PCs and peripherals in 2011.


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Everybody in the industry is excited about upcoming soon Intel's LightPeak new high-speed optical cable technology.

Light Peak Overview

Light Peak is a new high-speed optical cable technology designed to connect your electronic devices to each other.
Light Peak delivers high bandwidth starting at 10Gb/s with the potential ability to scale to 100Gb/s over the next decade.
At 10Gb/s, you could transfer a full-length Blu-Ray movie in less than 30 seconds.
Optical technology also allows for smaller connectors and longer, thinner, and more flexible cables than currently possible.
Light Peak also has the ability to run multiple protocols simultaneously over a single cable, enabling the technology to connect
devices such as peripherals, displays, disk drives, docking stations, and more.
Light Peak components are expected to begin to become available to customers in late 2010,
and Intel expects to see Light Peak in PCs and peripherals in 2011.


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hmm that would mean they would abandon dual xeon hexacore and octocore chips as you can't cool these efficiently/silently in a imac sized envelope.
not sure a cpu expansions box would materialize by 3rd parties.

I guess if RED manages to cool off the Epic, Apple will manage the iMac...


I am not too fond of the all integrated concept of the iMac, though...
Even if Lightpipe will turn it into more or less a "smartscreen" + expansions.

Interesting thought, though. Like the thinking.
 
Interesting idea...

Obstacles which seem in a way:

Design
Incorporating all into one box would be a step back from iMac approach and add up to desktop clutter.

Apple profit
Apple prefers selling as much gear as possible, with additional and redundant proprietary solutions. They don't make products which can replace other product in the offer, which makes leaving 27" display only to Mac Mini and MacBook buyers unlikely.

R&D expenditures & pro segment investments
MBO redesign, housing redesign, cooling etc...seem far fetched for a company with a core business of making gadgets.

Cooling & noise
2 x Sexa core Xeon = 190 W + GPUs 225 W per card...


Btw..looks like Light Peak is going copper for at the initial phase so forget about optical for the time being...

http://www.slashgear.com/intel-light-peak-to-debut-with-copper-cables-not-fiber-optic-13119184/
 
Why? 10GB speed is available today with existing fiber technologies.

Because Lightpeak is supposed to be mass market AND therefore cheap (and also idiot proof), at least relatively future proof, and capable of meeting the connectivity performance needs of almost everybody.
 
Interesting idea...

Obstacles which seem in a way:

Design
Incorporating all into one box would be a step back from iMac approach and add up to desktop clutter.

I think you worded this incorrectly. Separate peripherals would lead to a bit of desktop clutter, true, but Apple has the most innovative and brilliant industrial designer in the world in Jonathan Ive. Something tells me he could probably come up with a simple "stacking" design (probably cable free between modules) that would quickly solve that problem. Maybe they'll even resurrect the Cube and use it as a module case (Steve LOVED that design...). And in any case, such an approach would still take up a hell of a lot less space than a tower. And it would look better, too - something that's important to Apple. Right now the "ugly duckling" in Apple's line is the tower based MacPro. I expect they'll want to do something about that...

Apple profit
Apple prefers selling as much gear as possible, with additional and redundant proprietary solutions. They don't make products which can replace other product in the offer, which makes leaving 27" display only to Mac Mini and MacBook buyers unlikely.

A modular (I did think of that when I started this thread...) approach would allow them to develop and sell many more pieces of gear than they do now, at least for higher end users of the core Mac. It they were interested in going the route I'm speculating, the line would have multiple sized screens, but the same inner electronics. That would allow for different market segments, just as the current iMac does.

BTW, what I don't see is a touch screen, at least not on the vertically oriented iMac case. Apple has already said that they don't feel that people want to hang their arms out to control the screen, and I agree. Of course, they could innovate even more and make a 45 degree stand that would allow the screen/touch surface to be at a comfortable angle. Sort of a desktop version of the iPad, which I certainly don't think is out of the question. The challenge there would be to make it readable and comfortable without the user having to constantly be looking down. Not sure whether that would work....

R&D expenditures & pro segment investments
MBO redesign, housing redesign, cooling etc...seem far fetched for a company with a core business of making gadgets.

Cooling & noise
2 x Sexa core Xeon = 190 W + GPUs 225 W per card...

You're assuming that they'd use similar CPU's to the towers, and you're also assuming that they wouldn't be able to integrate a GPU on to the motherboard. I think both of those are questionable assumptions. With built in expansion capability, there's really no need for that kind of power in the basic box. Pro users could be offered additional CPU power through bus level expansion modules, potentially allowing more CPU power than is currently possible in the towers and also allowing for a clustering approach. Commodity GPU's could also be accommodated by a PCIe expansion module. There is really no way to change the form factor of current slot based peripherals, and Apple knows this, so the solution would be an external box to accommodate them, much as Cubix is supplying for the Mac Pro.

Using external expansion for CPU power and external PCI style expansion has a number of potential advantages. The expansion modules could be located a considerable distance from the desktop because of the optical interface. Cooling would only be an expansion box issue and more easily handled than in a case that needs to house an entire motherboard and peripherals. And the current PCIe lane limitations could potentially disappear by using a clustering/co-processing approach. So rather than create problems, when compared to the current single tower approach, this would actually solve them, as well as provide less limited expansion.

Btw..looks like Light Peak is going copper for at the initial phase so forget about optical for the time being...

http://www.slashgear.com/intel-light-peak-to-debut-with-copper-cables-not-fiber-optic-13119184/

Rumors. The Net is full of 'em. But even if this one is true, if the protocol is done correctly, cable length limitations shouldn't be any worse than current 10gigE approaches, and not really an issue.

Of course, I also think that Apple would go for the most forward thinking, least limited, and most unique approach possible, which to me would be optical interconnects, even if they have to wait for that.
 
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